Television The Star Trek Thread V6.0

[Ares Black]

star trek has gotten a little to political for me.

It has always been political.

 

[Francis Rossi]

For fuck's sake, Star Trek had a white man kiss a black woman on TV in the 60s. Guess how well that went down in certain parts of the US?

 

[Danger Dave]

It has always been political.

when every character is either gay, tranny, or black, that does not speak to the actual demographic of real life.

 

[Ares Black]

when every character is either gay, tranny, or black, that does not speak to the actual demographic of real life.

It's Star Trek. There are also a lot more Klingons than in real life.

 

[Danger Dave]

It's Star Trek. There are also a lot more Klingons than in real life.

oh the angry black people of star trek.....

 

[Ares Black]

oh the angry black people of star trek.....

I did notice that there are a grand total of zero straight white male characters on Discovery.

There was one in first season, but he was the villain.

It's such a bad show. Not because it's woke AF(although that doesn't help).

The problem is that it doesn't feel like Star Trek. At all. And it takes itself waaaaaaaay too seriously. And there are a lot of bad actors on the main cast. And the writing is very bad.

 

[Bos Docken]

For fuck's sake, Star Trek had a white man kiss a black woman on TV in the 60s. Guess how well that went down in certain parts of the US?

Or how about that TOS episode when they meet Space Abraham Lincoln.

he calls Uhura a "charming negress" but then he worries he used an offensive term.

She is confused by his worry and says society has learned not to fear words.

Really loaded but idealistic stuff. Star Trek has always had higher messages

 

[Bos Docken]

And it takes itself waaaaaaaay too seriously.

Star Trek has always taken itself seriously.

And there are a lot of bad actors on the main cast.

Star Trek has always had bad actors.

And the writing is very bad.

And this is the biggest, most significant problem with modern Star Trek.

The worst episodes of TOS, TNG, and DS9 still had better writing than Discovery and Picard.

There is seemingly no regard for construction of plot, consistency of character, or adherence to established canon.

It is all false drama and mystery box writing.

 

[Streeter]

Started watching picard season 2. Never made it past ep. 1 and I was excited for the return of Q in ep 2. Star Trek forgot the Star Trek n just replaced it with social justice in space.

 

[Two Crows]

Star Trek was always political, but IMO it totally lost the plot after Rodenberry died.

DS9, great as it was, starting contradicting all the things it was supposed to be as it wore on, and nothing afterward was any better.

Gene wasn't a great writer, or director, or even a decent human being according to most of his family, but he WAS a visionary. He foresaw a future for humanity that had literally evolved past the troubles of the latter half of the twentieth century. A future were homo sapiens were, literally, better people than we are today.

People who have not seen the unaired pilot (filmed in Black & White), don't know he has the first officer & smartest person on the ship NOT as Spock, but as a woman (Majel Barrett, his later wife and regular TNG guest as Lwaxana Troi). The TV producers thought a woman in that role was ridiculous and forced him to recast, and he moved the alien (Leonard Nimoy) into the role.

There is no racism, classism, homophobia, or any other social flaw of humanity in Gene's Star Trek. He shows this over and over and over, but later producers (cough, Rick Berman), didn't "get it". They thought Star Trek needed more grit & edge, darkness and "realism", and they essentially killed the franchise. Everything you see today exists solely based upon the work before Berman and others "made it better".

That's the thing about old-school Star Trek that many hipsters, rebels, disillusioned, and even mainstream Hollywood movers & shakers never understood, the thing many fantastic authors never got ... Star Trek was never about the failures of humanity (Every. Other. Sci-Fi. Ever.), it was about humanity exceeding our expectations. It was ALWAYS about showing that we can be better than we are, via characters that have already exceeded our goals. Having a character deal with a contemporary social problems drags the world back down from the distant galaxy and into just another Monday.

We don't need tricorders and phasers for that.

 

[sverre054]

I did notice that there are a grand total of zero straight white male characters on Discovery.

There was one in first season, but he was the villain.

It's such a bad show. Not because it's woke AF(although that doesn't help).

The problem is that it doesn't feel like Star Trek. At all. And it takes itself waaaaaaaay too seriously. And there are a lot of bad actors on the main cast. And the writing is very bad.

Saru

 

[sverre054]

Entire TNG cast joins season 3 of Picard!

Also The motion picture full 4k restoration is now on paramount+.

Happy first contact day everyone.

 

[Jackonfire]

I personally enjoyed the latest season of Discovery, but I'm not the type to get triggered easily by skin color or sexual orientation. The second half of the season was great. Literally going where no man had gone before, making first contact with a totally unknown species and trying to work out how to communicate. It was a fun season.

 

[Joe_Armstrong]

Entire TNG cast joins season 3 of Picard!

Also The motion picture full 4k restoration is now on paramount+.

Happy first contact day everyone.

Does this mean Reg Barclay ?

 

[sverre054]

Ok The Motion picture 4k restorations looks amazing. It's still a slow artys film, but the directors cut does flow better

 

[Ace70 V2]

I did notice that there are a grand total of zero straight white male characters on Discovery.

There was one in first season, but he was the villain.

It's such a bad show. Not because it's woke AF(although that doesn't help).

The problem is that it doesn't feel like Star Trek. At all. And it takes itself waaaaaaaay too seriously. And there are a lot of bad actors on the main cast. And the writing is very bad.

I was gonna say Ash, but he was Klingon.

 

[sverre054]

Strange new Worlds opening sequence.

SNW starts next week, along with the Picard season 2 finale.

 

[sverre054]

So the latest episode of Picard was actually pretty good. We can finally see the payoff for the finale and what will likely lead into season 3. Episodes 1-2 were good, and it appears episode 10-11 will be good. The middle of the season was pretty bad.

It has been announced the Entire main TNG cast will be back for season 3 of Picard, which had already been filmed and will likely air late 2022

 

[Jack Reacheround]

I need to get CBS.

 

[sverre054]

I need to get CBS.

Paramount+ has actually turned into a decent streaming service. They have tons of content now.