Television The Star Trek Thread V6.0

First episode of season 4 is finished and off to the editor. They will be doing post production virtually again this season

 


What we left behind, the DS9 documentary, is avalible for free right now on YouTube. If you haven't had a chance to see this yet, I highly recommend it.
 
sverre054 said:
http://blog.trekcore.com/2020/11/st...bute-to-deep-space-nine-actor-aron-eisenberg/

Nice tribute to Aron Eisenberg in the latest episode of Discovery.
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Major Spoiler

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Fwiw, Indiewire called 3x04 the best ever episode for Discovery and now follows up saying 3x05 is almost as good. I agree.
 
So that episode was not good after multiple really good ones.
 
Ventured into Star Trek almost blind earlier this year.

So far have finished TOS (and movies), TNG (and movies) and am almost finished DS9 S3.

This might be a controversial thing to say, but whilst TNG was almost certainly the "Better" show......I enjoyed TOS more overall. And that isn't considering the movies (TOS movies shit all over TNG movies....).

Have found DS9 highly relevant to my interests though and have been enjoying it immensely. Will be curious to see how I feel at the end of the series, as well as then what I think of VOY and ENT.
 
JDragon said:
So that episode was not good after multiple really good ones.
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Wasn't bad, but wasn't great like the rest of the season has been. Kinda a hodgepodge episode, trying to tell too many stories. I did like that they have modernized the ship, but it is weird that they are wearing those old uniforms still.
 
legatoblues said:
Ventured into Star Trek almost blind earlier this year.

So far have finished TOS (and movies), TNG (and movies) and am almost finished DS9 S3.

This might be a controversial thing to say, but whilst TNG was almost certainly the "Better" show......I enjoyed TOS more overall. And that isn't considering the movies (TOS movies shit all over TNG movies....).

Have found DS9 highly relevant to my interests though and have been enjoying it immensely. Will be curious to see how I feel at the end of the series, as well as then what I think of VOY and ENT.
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Congrats on finding Trek, and welcome to the discussion. You still have several hundred more episodes to enjoy and discover, and I'm jealous.
So do you enjoy the episodic format like TOS and TNG, or are you preferring the more serialized DS9 long-format stories?
 


This randomly appeared on my youtube suggested list, and it was pretty funny. Gotta love Spiner
 
sverre054 said:
Wasn't bad, but wasn't great like the rest of the season has been. Kinda a hodgepodge episode, trying to tell too many stories. I did like that they have modernized the ship, but it is weird that they are wearing those old uniforms still.
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The modernization was pretty cool, but they really need to explain the benefits of all that stuff. I think I mainly did not like the Burnham plot.

And the more this gets detailed, the more I hope that this Burn thing is not related somehow to Burnham or her mother... Which you just know it will be, inevitably. P
 
legatoblues said:
Ventured into Star Trek almost blind earlier this year.

So far have finished TOS (and movies), TNG (and movies) and am almost finished DS9 S3.

This might be a controversial thing to say, but whilst TNG was almost certainly the "Better" show......I enjoyed TOS more overall. And that isn't considering the movies (TOS movies shit all over TNG movies....).

Have found DS9 highly relevant to my interests though and have been enjoying it immensely. Will be curious to see how I feel at the end of the series, as well as then what I think of VOY and ENT.
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How far into DS9 are you?
 
sverre054 said:
Congrats on finding Trek, and welcome to the discussion. You still have several hundred more episodes to enjoy and discover, and I'm jealous.
So do you enjoy the episodic format like TOS and TNG, or are you preferring the more serialized DS9 long-format stories?
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Thank you and absolutely, looking forward to it. I'm a completionist so will eventually make my way to Discovery, etc.

As for format, ultimately for me it depends on the overall content / feel of the series. I'm a long time X-Files fan so am used to the combination style of an overarching story punctuated by standalone episodes, which is what I'm currently feeling and enjoying about DS9.

For me, TNG would have benefitted from a more established longform story - but that's because I didn't feel like the characters complimented each other well enough for the standalone format to be truly rewarding. Don't get me wrong, each individual character was brilliant in isolation, but I can't really point to any combination and say "I really loved the dynamic between x characters".

This is in contrast to TOS where the way Kirk, Spock and McCoy play off each other is for me where the real magic of the show comes from. The strength of those characters as a single unit is what makes the non-linked format work, as almost any episode is likely to have some version of this dynamic to enjoy.

TNG lacking that element meant I was looking for satisfaction elsewhere, but wasn't able to find it. There are some utterly brilliant standalone episodes, but they don't really hold any weight to me. As in, it's a fantastic 45 minutes of TV but doesn't mean much in the context of the overall show as there isn't really much character development or significance to the events.

I'll use The Inner Light as an example. Phenomenal episode. Truly one of the best examples of TV sci fi I've seen. You could show someone that episode without having seen any other Star Trek and it would still be just as effective. That's a testament to the strength of the episode, but it doesn't resolve anything from before, doesn't present anything to look forward to after, it just exists on it's own. Also given the fact that it's a purely Picard episode with no real interactions with any of the other main cast means that there isn't really anything else to take away from it.

Contrast this to DS9's S3E22 "Explorers". This is the episode where Ben and Jake Sisko build a solar sail craft to recreate a journey of ancient Bajorans to Cardassia. Total filler episode and will never hold a candle to The Inner Light. But the small detail of that episode having a place in a greater world gives it a genuine weight and significance that TNG is lacking: We know the history of Bajor and Cardassia, that Cardassians hold a view of Bajorans being inferior, that the Bajoran people and their culture is oppressed by the Cardassians. Proving that the ancient Bajorans could indeed have made the journey would be an incredible symbol of strength to the Bajoran people whilst simultaneously contradicting Cardassian beliefs. Before the journey, Dukat ominously warns Sisko of the risks and implores him to reconsider attempting the journey, which is an ominous sign given what we already know. The journey goes ahead and the ship reaches Cardassia, to be greeted by a trio of Cardassian warships. This is a moment of tension, as the show has already established that it would be completely plausible for the sail ship to be quietly destroyed and then falsely reported as lost. Dukat then appears on screen and congratulates Sisko on making the journey, also informing him that Cardassian scientists have located an ancient Bajoran crash site that corroborates the achievement and proves the Bajorans did make the journey all those years ago. A great moment of success and a feelgood win for the main character and the Bajorans.....but due to what we already know of the Cardassians, we're also then able to conclude that they already knew the ancient Bajorans had made it to Cardassia, that they had been supressing this information and that the announcement of recently finding the crash site was a lie. The show doesn't say any of this, but rather the viewer is able to put all the pieces together - and I love that. The episode on it's own is probably a 6/10 at best as it's actually pretty boring and unremarkable, but as part of a greater whole I think it works beautifully.

The other part to this though is that the style of Star Trek I've enjoyed the most is the style that DS9 seems to be exploring more of in the first place. Politics, treachery, honor, inter-species relations, cultural differences, moral conflicts, etc.

All that aside though, I can't go past the interplay of the TOS characters. So good and I'm not sure anything can come close.

JDragon said:
How far into DS9 are you?
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Just about to start S3E24.
 
legatoblues said:
Thank you and absolutely, looking forward to it. I'm a completionist so will eventually make my way to Discovery, etc.

As for format, ultimately for me it depends on the overall content / feel of the series. I'm a long time X-Files fan so am used to the combination style of an overarching story punctuated by standalone episodes, which is what I'm currently feeling and enjoying about DS9.

For me, TNG would have benefitted from a more established longform story - but that's because I didn't feel like the characters complimented each other well enough for the standalone format to be truly rewarding. Don't get me wrong, each individual character was brilliant in isolation, but I can't really point to any combination and say "I really loved the dynamic between x characters".

This is in contrast to TOS where the way Kirk, Spock and McCoy play off each other is for me where the real magic of the show comes from. The strength of those characters as a single unit is what makes the non-linked format work, as almost any episode is likely to have some version of this dynamic to enjoy.

TNG lacking that element meant I was looking for satisfaction elsewhere, but wasn't able to find it. There are some utterly brilliant standalone episodes, but they don't really hold any weight to me. As in, it's a fantastic 45 minutes of TV but doesn't mean much in the context of the overall show as there isn't really much character development or significance to the events.

I'll use The Inner Light as an example. Phenomenal episode. Truly one of the best examples of TV sci fi I've seen. You could show someone that episode without having seen any other Star Trek and it would still be just as effective. That's a testament to the strength of the episode, but it doesn't resolve anything from before, doesn't present anything to look forward to after, it just exists on it's own. Also given the fact that it's a purely Picard episode with no real interactions with any of the other main cast means that there isn't really anything else to take away from it.

Contrast this to DS9's S3E22 "Explorers". This is the episode where Ben and Jake Sisko build a solar sail craft to recreate a journey of ancient Bajorans to Cardassia. Total filler episode and will never hold a candle to The Inner Light. But the small detail of that episode having a place in a greater world gives it a genuine weight and significance that TNG is lacking: We know the history of Bajor and Cardassia, that Cardassians hold a view of Bajorans being inferior, that the Bajoran people and their culture is oppressed by the Cardassians. Proving that the ancient Bajorans could indeed have made the journey would be an incredible symbol of strength to the Bajoran people whilst simultaneously contradicting Cardassian beliefs. Before the journey, Dukat ominously warns Sisko of the risks and implores him to reconsider attempting the journey, which is an ominous sign given what we already know. The journey goes ahead and the ship reaches Cardassia, to be greeted by a trio of Cardassian warships. This is a moment of tension, as the show has already established that it would be completely plausible for the sail ship to be quietly destroyed and then falsely reported as lost. Dukat then appears on screen and congratulates Sisko on making the journey, also informing him that Cardassian scientists have located an ancient Bajoran crash site that corroborates the achievement and proves the Bajorans did make the journey all those years ago. A great moment of success and a feelgood win for the main character and the Bajorans.....but due to what we already know of the Cardassians, we're also then able to conclude that they already knew the ancient Bajorans had made it to Cardassia, that they had been supressing this information and that the announcement of recently finding the crash site was a lie. The show doesn't say any of this, but rather the viewer is able to put all the pieces together - and I love that. The episode on it's own is probably a 6/10 at best as it's actually pretty boring and unremarkable, but as part of a greater whole I think it works beautifully.

The other part to this though is that the style of Star Trek I've enjoyed the most is the style that DS9 seems to be exploring more of in the first place. Politics, treachery, honor, inter-species relations, cultural differences, moral conflicts, etc.

All that aside though, I can't go past the interplay of the TOS characters. So good and I'm not sure anything can come close.



Just about to start S3E24.
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Man I am jealous. You are only entering the awesome seasons now.
 
JDragon said:
@legatoblues seriously you are in for a massive treat if you like DS9 better than TNG even now.
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Yeah I can feel it building up and am really happy with the way all of the players are slowly being introduced. I'm a big fan of how intertwined all the different factions are, each with their own objectives and styles and all impacted by events in different ways.
 
Clippy said:
It's amazing and it's my favorite Star Trek but don't hype it up too much because even good things get ruined with hype
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I already know it starts to unravel but that's something I have to accept as a sci fi fan anyway. Being a big fan of the genre I've made do with watching a lot of trash, so I can take it.
 
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