Except that what you are describing is simply regurgitating cliches and is not true.
WC 'fails' because people don't spar. Those guys who supposedly represent WC are usually hobbyist level. Even if some have been doing it for years since they don't spar they usually can't make it work live.
There is a video posted earlier on this thread of WC working in MMA. I post it again here.
So there are example of WC working in MMA now sorry. It is has been tested, and it is has proven itself.
And that is CLASSIC close range Wing Chun there.
Will it resemble some of MT or boxing at times ? Yes, because we have two arms and two legs, there is overlap but the core base they are using is Wing Chun.
So what is the difference with these guys who have proven WC to work, vs the majority of embarrassing 'wc' fighters out there? They actually train live and spar like a combat sport.
Don't kid yourself that your system is fundamentally better when it is your (live) training methods that are better is all.
As for your street experiences - not sure how much of martial art is good against multiple opponents or weapons.
I have always said WC needs to be paired with a grappling style as all primarily standup styles do.
For weapons though WC is considered better than boxing for example since they actually train weapons (knives and long pole) and they also train with barefist in mind so there are plenty of grabs and transitions that are readily adapted to weapons.
This is why historically there is a connection between WC and proven weapons styles like Escrima.
Your statements about Bruce are also fairly clueless and ignorant.
He was a pionoeer in the US before your were even born, of an early version of MMA. He was ''martial arts" to millions and he brought together top names from the era to cross train, be it Karate guys or catch/Judo guys like Gene Lebell.
Him being an actor is what allowed him to do this so well and be a focal point.
So for you to say he is 'just a martial arts actor' is a huge misrepresentation. He was a prelude to US MMA, with a Wing Chun base.
You can see even from the 70's guys doing good drills with pads and movement and light and heavy sparring of different styles and techniques with and without weapons- a precursor to the Martial arts boom including MMA that we see today.
In short Wing Chun is a much deeper, more comprehensive base than what you are used to seeing and if trained properly and live it can work in a variety of situations including 1 vs 1 standing combat sports.
You don't know my age so you don't know whether bruce is my era or not.
The guy was a movie star and a martial artist. Bruce was amazingly fast and strong for his size. His concepts were revolutionary at the time, as in train more styles than just one. I have read the Tao of jeet kune do, have studied bruce and was a big fan boy at one point.
Additionally I trained under a man who was Dan inosantos daughter's first long term boyfriend, which is where he learned martial arts, jkd and escrima.
One of my muay thai coaches learned martial arts at inosantos first gym in Torrance back in the day prior to moving to Thailand for MT.
Bruce is famous for his movies, concepts, and philosophies, not his fighting ability. Don't get me wrong of course the guy can fight. But he would be destroyed by guys like Canelo, ggg, Tyson, dekkers, etc. Bruce fan boys think the guy is a invincible ninja, he is not. Calling bruce the greatest fighter or what not is like calling Tony jaa a great MT fighter....I'm sure the guy can fight, but hes a movie star not a MT fighter. Bruce is no different than Norris minus the concepts, philosophy, and amazing speed and strength.
Funny that you mention WC and knife fighting, as I was going to say the same. A parry and all those slipidy slaps are more applicable to knife fighting. Although even with knife fighting, a lot of the fancy stuff is BS. Given I have had someone try to stab me, I speak from experience.
Your argument of practitioners being at hobbyist level without sparring, is simply re-wording there are no grandmasters around. For a martial art older than boxing, they have had plenty of time to develop grandmasters, more so than many other martial arts. At the very least we should see some beyond hobbyist level as you claim. This defense of yours is null.
I can give you a fair shot that since we only have 2 arms and 2 legs, techniques will overlap, however anytime we see this with WC, it is usually WC "reaching" to grasp onto something from another martial art as its own... at the end of the day, there are so many ways to punch and kick and there's also only so many ways to swirl your hands around like a ninja.
The reason we don't see a ineffective martial art being used in combat sports is no one is going to go out and try some BS
When it's their life on the line.
Your advocacy for WC tells me you most likely have no combat experience. I'm sure you can argue this with whatever you want, but I won't believe it.
What's the name of the Chinese dude that smashed all the grandmasters of bullshitdoe? Wait a second I thought there were no grandmasters? There were and they all got exposed.
Look dude, you have to man up and except that for the most part its BS...I'm a MT and I can admit that muay boran is more BS than legit, and krabi krabong At least what it is today is total bs and for the movies.
That or keep living in denial
Also dude, if your truly a bruce Lee advocate, you would recognize that applying his concept of take what's useful, reject what is useless and add what is uniquely your own to WC, such as I have done with it.
