The Aspinal vs Pereira idea is genius actually

[KillerIsBack V2]

I think Jon believes he has one more fight left in him. That shoulder injury 8 months before the Stipe fight looked bad.

We have been arguing on this forum for a while about who he should fight next.

But uncle Dana to the rescue.

Jon Jones Gives Green Light to Alex Pereira vs. Tom Aspinall Fight in Honest Verdict

Eager to delay title defense, Jon Jones gives honest verdict on a potential fight between Alex Pereira vs. Tom Aspinall.

www.essentiallysports.com

 

[Ares Black]

Please explain how it is genius.

 

[moreorless87]

Jones basically hopes Alex might beat Tom so he doesnt have to fight him.

 

[Clark Rogers]

Please explain how it is genius.

Kinda feels like they left something out yeah?

 

[Hdfi]

Why would Aspinall have to defend the interim belt for the second time?
Strip Jones already and make it Aspinall vs Alex Pereira for the real belt.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

If Jones is gonna not fight Tom and drop the belt, the hope is that Gane shows he's still better than Volkov to get Gane vs Tom finally. If Volkov wins, people won't be too excited about it, but ya gotta reward a title shot to a streak like Rozen, Romanov, Tuivasa, Pav, and Gane.

But I could see why, if Volkov wins, people could argue Poatan being the more exciting choice.

But that's also based on if upon if, so that's a long way from discussion

 

[oski]

Dana is milking this thing for all it's worth and even the 'hardcore' heroes can't let it just play out.




Gotta give it the pink, goofy bastard on this one, lol.

 

[DoubleTrouble]

Please explain how it is genius.

Jon is ducking Aspinall for an easier fight with Alex.

By making Tom and Alex fight, Dana fully expects Tom to win and force Jon into retirement or a unification with Aspinall as a Tom win over Alex effectively kills the Jones-Alex fight.

No-one would want to see Jones vs Alex if Tom mauls him (which is highly likely).

 

[mmacrisis]

The article reads like 'some idiot reporter came up with an idea for clicks' and you are helping. The UFC didn't say this, nor did Jon or Tom or Alex.

 

[Dave Poodle]

Dana's never sounded keen on the idea of sending Alex to HW to be a sacrificial lamb.

 

[BlackStrap]

Please explain how it is genius.

I will.

Jones is on his way out.

He may only have one fight left in him and is trying to play it as safely as he can. A fight with Pereira is safer because, as high risk as Pereira is, he is a bona-fide legend (multi-disciplilne, multi-weight champion) and is an arguably easier loss to swallow.

For all the nut swallowing here, Aspinall is a prospect. He is murdering fools (as of late), but has not even fought the who's who in his own weight class (Cyril is a serious omission). There is a world where he ends up being a world beater, in which case Jones' loss to him would be less tarnshiing. There is also a world where he ends up being a flash in the pan, in which case Jones' loss ages horribly.

So, Jones will only fight Aspinall for $$$.

Jones is also old in fight years. He takes time to ready his body (with physio and likely secret juice). So that means putting one or two marquee fighters on ice for a long time in anticipation of a fight.

Instead, put Aspinall against Perreira. Perreira will fight anyone. Aspinall (who is also being a diva by only wanting ot fight Jones) will fight Perreira, who is a proxy for Jones, and a legends eliminator. Take advantage of all the hype of the Jones fight without actually holding a Jones fight, and take away Jones' negotiating leverage.

If Perreira wins then good: Jones wanted to fight him, we don't care about the Aspinall fight, and his bona fides are next level. Fight of the fucking century. TBH, this is the best look. It is the lhw goats who beaheaded hw monsters batteling it out in a super fight. This is the best possible outcome.

If Aspinall wins then good: Jones can no longer deny his bona fides, and any resistence will reasonably be taken to be ducking. Huge drama fight due to prior beef, and maybe biggest heavyweight fight. No matter the outcome, we will see a salty fucking Jones, which is an exciting Jones.

IMO, Aspinall v Pereira -> winner v Jones is a better two fight option than Jones v Aspinall/Pereira -> the winner of that fight against Aspinall/Pereira. Also the timeline is way tighter.

So yeah, pretty genius.

 

[Ares Black]

I will.

Jones is on his way out.

He may only have one fight left in him and is trying to play it as safely as he can. A fight with Pereira is safer because, as high risk as Pereira is, he is a bona-fide legend (multi-disciplilne, multi-weight champion) and is an arguably easier loss to swallow.

For all the nut swallowing here, Aspinall is a prospect. He is murdering fools (as of late), but has not even fought the who's who in his own weight class (Cyril is a serious omission). There is a world where he ends up being a world beater, in which case Jones' loss to him would be less tarnshiing. There is also a world where he ends up being a flash in the pan, in which case Jones' loss ages horribly.

So, Jones will only fight Aspinall for $$$.

Jones is also old in fight years. He takes time to ready his body (with physio and likely secret juice). So that means putting one or two marquee fighters on ice for a long time in anticipation of a fight.

Instead, put Aspinall against Perreira. Perreira will fight anyone. Aspinall (who is also being a diva by only wanting ot fight Jones) will fight Perreira, who is a proxy for Jones, and a legends eliminator. Take advantage of all the hype of the Jones fight without actually holding a Jones fight, and take away Jones' negotiating leverage.

If Perreira wins then good: Jones wanted to fight him, we don't care about the Aspinall fight, and his bona fides are next level. Fight of the fucking century. TBH, this is the best look. It is the lhw goats who beaheaded hw monsters batteling it out in a super fight. This is the best possible outcome.

If Aspinall wins then good: Jones can no longer deny his bona fides, and any resistence will reasonably be taken to be ducking. Huge drama fight due to prior beef, and maybe biggest heavyweight fight. No matter the outcome, we will see a salty fucking Jones, which is an exciting Jones.

IMO, Aspinall v Pereira -> winner v Jones is a better two fight option than Jones v Aspinall/Pereira -> the winner of that fight against Aspinall/Pereira. Also the timeline is way tighter.

So yeah, pretty genius.

Great post

I still don't know if I would call it genius, but you make a lot of sense.

But this reasoning takes advantage of Pereira's willingness to fight anyone and doesn't address the damage a possible embarrassing loss would cause for him. And Pereira would likely be a huge underdog.

 

[Ares Black]

Dana's never sounded keen on the idea of sending Alex to HW to be a sacrificial lamb.

This is the main reason this fight won't happen IMO.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

to get Gane vs Tom finally.

Would that count as a good win for Tom? I've been told Ciryl is terrible because he lost to Jon and Tom has the same advantages over him that Jon had.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

For all the nut swallowing here, Aspinall is a prospect. He is murdering fools (as of late), but has not even fought the who's who in his own weight class (Cyril is a serious omission).

Ciryl is the only omission. He beat every other "who" that was actively fighting at HW.

There is a world where he ends up being a world beater, in which case Jones' loss to him would be less tarnshiing. There is also a world where he ends up being a flash in the pan, in which case Jones' loss ages horribly.

So, Jones will only fight Aspinall for $$$.

Jones is also old in fight years. He takes time to ready his body (with physio and likely secret juice). So that means putting one or two marquee fighters on ice for a long time in anticipation of a fight.

Aspinall (who is also being a diva by only wanting ot fight Jones)

Well that's wrong for multiple reasons. He only wants his next fight to be for the undisputed belt, which he is entitled to as the interim champ. That could be with Jones, or it could be without him. That's not holding out only for Jones and isn't being a diva.

take away Jones' negotiating leverage.

It increases his negotiating leverage, because the name will only be bigger and considered more dangerous coming out of it, so Jones can up his asking price or walk.

If Perreira wins then good: Jones wanted to fight him, we don't care about the Aspinall fight, and his bona fides are next level. Fight of the fucking century. TBH, this is the best look. It is the lhw goats who beaheaded hw monsters batteling it out in a super fight. This is the best possible outcome.

If Aspinall wins then good: Jones can no longer deny his bona fides, and any resistence will reasonably be taken to be ducking. Huge drama fight due to prior beef, and maybe biggest heavyweight fight. No matter the outcome, we will see a salty fucking Jones, which is an exciting Jones.

This is only looking at things from the perspective of Jones, who is leaving. The products that are staying, and therefore should take the least amount of damage are Aspinall and Pereira, so forcing more fights on both risks those prospects. You're even already talking about the potential losers dismissively. Also, some added extra nut riding with salty jones is exciting, or whatever kind of media-appealing shit that is.

IMO, Aspinall v Pereira -> winner v Jones is a better two fight option than Jones v Aspinall/Pereira -> the winner of that fight against Aspinall/Pereira. Also the timeline is way tighter.

You're forgetting to calculate in Pereira or Aspinall getting fights in between Jones fighting one of them. That would have to be added into the equation. And the timeline is only long because you're just freely giving the "champ" more time to sit out. To you, it's just a given that Jones will not be interested in fighting for months and months AND excusing it as ok.

So yeah, pretty genius.

For Jon, which is clearly the only perspective you have.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Would that count as a good win for Tom? I've been told Ciryl is terrible because he lost to Jon and Tom has the same advantages over him that Jon had.

Ciryl is a good win, so I can see why people call it a challenge in that context. It was also always an easy win for him, so I can see why people call it not a challenge for him in that context. Both of those statements are true, but determining how to use them depends on what context.

Also, Jon is more than established as a wrester, so his chances of taking a guy down who can't grapple are generally higher than a guy who is a good grappler overall. Aspinall has the grappling advantage in that if he can succesfully turn it into a grappling match, he's got a good chance of submitting him, whereas Jon has a wrestling advantage in that he has more of a chance to turn it into a grappling match in the first place.

Let's not forget that we are MMA fans who watch this sport and understand how it works just because Jon is involved this time, yeah?

 

[orca]

Jon is ducking Aspinall for an easier fight with Alex.

By making Tom and Alex fight, Dana fully expects Tom to win and force Jon into retirement or a unification with Aspinall as a Tom win over Alex effectively kills the Jones-Alex fight.

No-one would want to see Jones vs Alex if Tom mauls him (which is highly likely).

you mean ducking an interim champ to fight a 2 division world champ and much more bigger payday

the GOAT vs the 2 division world champs sounds bigger
than the interim champ vs the 2 division world champ

 

[cshireman4]

Pereira at HW is fucking stupid and you can't convince me otherwise.

 

[Intermission]

Dana's never sounded keen on the idea of sending Alex to HW to be a sacrificial lamb.

Alex is freakishly strong

 

[Intermission]

Pereira at HW is fucking stupid and you can't convince me otherwise.

Didn't Jones want the fight against Alex at heavyweight?