That was objectively boring as f***

[Alpha_T83]

yeah exactly, even just remember fights with Gaethje, moving forward getting hit to head and eventually breaking opponents and chocking. You can argue, but Islam is different and probably better than Khabib.

I'm not sure that's true. From what everyone has said in the gym, Khabib always got the better of Islam.

 

[Arcticman]

Wresting has always been king in MMA, always was and always will be.
Its only a prolbem for these new age mc tappers fans that he has brought along.

 

[Kratos94]

I didn't exactly think it was FOTN. It was a battle of Makhachev's darce attempts vs JDM's solid defense, but inability to get up. It would have been nice to see Makhachev land more strikes though. He probably could have got a late TKO win if he took JDM's back.

 

[xhaydenx]

My thought seeing it happen was oh Islam is letting Jack work up at the end of the round because that takes more energy than being laid on in half guard. Just a way for him to drain Jack more.

super exciting lemme tell ya

I always wonder if that's what fighters do lol. And it would make sense.

 

[rjmbrd]

Now I see how great he truly was, actually taking risks to finish fights and break people. Khabib would have finished JDM for sure.

This is hilariously misguided and factually absurd:

Khabib UFC wins:
- 7 stoppages
- 6 decisions
53% stoppage ratio

Islam UFC wins:
- 11 stoppages
- 6 decisions
64% stoppage ratio

This is setting aside Khabib never went up to welterweight, if we just compare their lightweight records Islam is even further ahead of him in stoppages. Stopping P4P great Volk and 10 fight win streak Oliveira is far and away more impressive than Khabib's strength of schedule.

Khabib's signature win is Poirier, who Islam also put away. Khabib went the distance with journeyman like Barboza and Iaquinta... Trujillo. Come on.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Sorry but

This is hilariously misguided and factually absurd:

Khabib UFC wins:
- 7 stoppages
- 6 decisions
53% stoppage ratio

Islam UFC wins:
- 11 stoppages
- 6 decisions
64% stoppage ratio

This is setting aside Khabib never went up to welterweight, if we just compare their lightweight records Islam is even further ahead of him in stoppages. Stopping P4P great Volk and 10 fight win streak Oliveira is far and away more impressive than Khabib's strength of schedule.

Khabib's signature win is Poirier, who Islam also put away. Khabib went the distance with journeyman like Barboza and Iaquinta... Trujillo. Come on.

I have zero respect for Islam's win over JDM. Just as shameful and disgraceful as Khamzat's win over DDP. Simple as that.

If you're an islam fan and you're happy he won, good for you. But it's a joke for someone to dominate with so much ground control and do so little damage.

Say what you want about Khabib's fights, but towards the end of his career he was absolutely smashing people. Khabib would smash JDM and finish him where Islam failed. I'm standing by that.

 

[rjmbrd]

Say what you want about Khabib's fights, but towards the end of his career he was absolutely smashing people. Khabib would smash JDM and finish him where Islam failed. I'm standing by that.

Again - it is a fact of linear reality that Islam has a far higher stoppage percentage compared with Khabib. That is not my opinion, that is objectively true by the numbers. This is setting aside that Islam has the far better strength of schedule.

Khabib only fought 3 times over his last 3 years in the org, the dude never fought. Poirier is his career signature win and Islam also put him away. JG and Conor? Don't embarrass yourself further with this shit take.

Islam stopped more fighters, and they were more impressive wins, and did it at a higher percentage. I'd also plainly say Islam would NEVER go to decision wins over journyeman like Iaquina, Barboza (LMAO) and Trujillo. That would simply not happen.

 

[jmboyd24]

Title fights have been grim this year. I'd say the only two entertaining wars that we had were Volk vs Lopes and JDM vs Belal. There were a couple of fun demolitions in Pereira vs Ankalaev 2 and Topuria vs Oliveira but the rest have pretty much been duds

 

[Rod Farva]

This was addressed and new rules voted on over the summer. I don't know if NY got the memo.



The ring bell shouldn't be your method of getting up and escaping. If we're going to score it as a whole, fight the whole thing out without water and rest breaks.


The rules favor those who produce offense. Every round starts separated and on your feet. A single bullshit lucky strike can now out score minutes of earned control.

What more do you want?

New York didn’t get the memo.

Allowing guys to win rounds by taking a 25 minute nap on someone’s chest is what is boring most fans to tears.

I wouldn’t call a takedown and a nap offense. And if it is, it’s pretty boring.

Look at all the threads today. Fans don’t seem to like it. And before you start calling them names, they are the ones who buy the product

 

[lowlife]

Just get rid of the cage already.

 

[Roids]

These boring russian wrestlers will kill off the UFC. No personality and boring inside the cage. Not a good recipe for popularity. Nobody cares how 'great' a fighter is if they are as boring as dog shit.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

Maybe it’s just because of hindsight but I actually used to think Khabib was an exciting fighter who, despite being a grappler was aggressive and relentless.

It’s surprising to see him be the architect or at least a part of this stalling epidemic that is taking over the sport.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Again - it is a fact of linear reality that Islam has a far higher stoppage percentage compared with Khabib. That is not my opinion, that is objectively true by the numbers. This is setting aside that Islam has the far better strength of schedule.

Khabib only fought 3 times over his last 3 years in the org, the dude never fought. Poirier is his career signature win and Islam also put him away. JG and Conor? Don't embarrass yourself further with this shit take.

Islam stopped more fighters, and they were more impressive wins, and did it at a higher percentage. I'd also plainly say Islam would NEVER go to decision wins over journyeman like Iaquina, Barboza (LMAO) and Trujillo. That would simply not happen.

Yea and Islam lost a fight, and Khabib didn't.

Khabib & his team were still learning when they got to the UFC. Khabib finished 5 of his last 7 fights, including all 3 of his highest profile fights. Islam only finished 1 fight of his first 4 UFC fights, and then proceeded to dramatically improve. That's because Khabib's team learned a lot from Khabib's career.

The fact remains that everyone on Khabib's team said that Khabib constantly got the better of Islam in training camp. And that remains the fact to this date (although Khabib is 90-100kg now, so it's not a fair comparison anymore).

Islam resorts to blanketing people until they get frustrated and make a mistake. Khabib was smashing people that weren't able to stop him. Khabib would stop JDM.

 

[kuroro]

Don’t give me that “well JDM should have been able to get up” Islam trains to do just what he did. He trains to control in those positions while JDM is training to be offensive, combinations.

oh... guess he should've trained the other way

 

[Marko Polo]

oh... guess he should've trained the other way

…yes… they all should train that way. And then all we would get would be boring low level stand up fights and the UFC goes away

 

[kuroro]

…yes… they all should train that way. And then all we would get would be boring low level stand up fights and the UFC goes away

watch wwe

 

[Marko Polo]

I did not appreciate Khabib when we had him.

Now I see how great he truly was, actually taking risks to finish fights and break people. Khabib would have finished JDM for sure.

His dominance and brutality became a spectacle in itself

 

[Marko Polo]

watch wwe

 

[Tito Tapped]

New York didn’t get the memo.

Allowing guys to win rounds by taking a 25 minute nap on someone’s chest is what is boring most fans to tears.

I wouldn’t call a takedown and a nap offense. And if it is, it’s pretty boring.

Look at all the threads today. Fans don’t seem to like it. And before you start calling them names, they are the ones who buy the product

The threads today praised the KOs as much as the same usual suspects did complaining about a card we both know wasn't paid for by 95% of posters here.

Perhaps instead of blaming good fighters for being good, and trying to rewrite the rules so fights turn into fancy sparring sessions, you put some responsibility on their opponents for not offering anything back.

 

[JPOMMA]

Here’s something that could fix it: stop the scoring, the only way to win is by finish. Plain and simple. Add huge win bonuses.

Point/control “fighters” will go back to Olympic sports, karate, boxing, etc.