That time GSP ducked fighting Whittaker

[Substance Abuse]

So this thread started with the whole Georges ducked Bobby claim and started morphing into another Hendricks/Georges/drug testing thread? Got damn. Aren't you guys tired of this yet? You're derailing your own thread, lol.

 

[Morning Star]

Bisping was a fluke champ that ducked any real contender. Basically GSP's or anyone at the time easiest path to the belt. Jacare, Romero, Whittaker would have easily dispatched him. Hell Kelvin did easily just a few months later. It's obvious why Bisping ducked to fight 46 year old Hendo and the money fight with GSP. GSP was never defending because those other contenders were actually scary unlike one eyed Mike.

 

[IndyCovaHart]

Wait … hold the phone … GSP apologists actually believe he had the intention of fighting ROCKHOLD for the title?

Just when I thought I had tired of this topic.

mua ha ha ha ha!!!!!111111

 

[Arm Barbarian]

So this thread started with the whole Georges ducked Bobby claim and started morphing into another Hendricks/Georges/drug testing thread? Got damn. Aren't you guys tired of this yet? You're derailing your own thread, lol.

Haha they are flinging lil turd nuggets at the wall, hoping anything sticks.

Desperation. Last gasp.

 

[markg171]

Yes I know what happened. Bisping wanted to fight a bloated WW with no knees who hadn't fought in 4 years and thought it would be an easy win.

Nearly half of Sherdog thought Bisping was going to win and that's a fact. All this other bologna only came up after because GSP's little baby hater fanbase had to move the goal posts because he beat a guy who just finished beating Anderson Silva, Luke Rockhold and Dan Henderson back to back to back while GSP had 0 fights in 4 years.

My favourite is when people try and pretend like Bisping was an easy matchup for GSP.

Why yes, please tell me more about how the big former LHW, with great striking, decent power, great cardio, great defensive grappling and TDD, good chin, and active and on the best run of his career, was such an easy matchup for a past prime WW moving up to MW for the first time ever, 4 years after retiring, who's main strength was his grappling, and who nearly always won by decision.

Please. Please show me the posts predicting that GSP would knock down Bisping standing with his boxing and then choke him out. Please, I'm dying to see all these people's Nostradamus predictions. They never happened.

Bisping being an easier matchup than others like Rockhold, Romero, Jacare, Whittaker, or Weidman is NOT the same thing as Bisping himself being an easy matchup stylistically. He absolutely was not. And indeed proved not to be in reality too, giving GSP one of his hardest fights ever.

 

[chinarice]

Bisping was a fluke champ that ducked any real contender. Basically GSP's or anyone at the time easiest path to the belt. Jacare, Romero, Whittaker would have easily dispatched him. Hell Kelvin did easily just a few months later. It's obvious why Bisping ducked to fight 46 year old Hendo and the money fight with GSP. GSP was never defending because those other contenders were actually scary unlike one eyed Mike.

Michael Bisping fought Kelvin Gastelum 3 weeks after being put to sleep by GSP. Not sure where this few months later narrative came from.

He had absolutely no business being cleared for a fight.

One eyed Mike vs no knees GSP. Fight was definitely fair

Almost half of Sherdog voters picked Bisping to win

 

[Trabaho]

Back the we had prime Luke, Ja care, Weidman, Withtaker, I thing Mousasi and more. Basically Ping and GSP both weren't top 5 while competing for the championship.

Ping was on a 2 fight win streak, squeezed by Thailaes late Split decision and got lucky Anderson didn't finish him after the flying knee. Then moment of a lifetime knocked out Luke.

46 Hedno first defense, barely survived the first round, by Pride criteria lost the fight.

After the GSP fight got KOd qick vs Kelvin

Glitch in the matrix that GSP took advantage off.

 

[glavinator]

There are levels to this shit, you can put Jones on 1 or 2 depending on if you think he waited for easy opponent or not
1- DC, Conor, Cejudo going up without any sneaky plans and winning
2- GSP waiting for easy opponent and winning
3- Adesanya waiting for easy opponent and still losing but still above the people never going up
4- Khabib and DJ never going up because the fear of losing

How do you explain GSP entering the USADA pool when Rockhold was champ? He and his team planned to fight him or Weidman. Do you propose they knew Weidman was gonna pull out? And then Bisping would be put in and he'd pull off the upset?

 

[markg171]

How do you explain GSP entering the USADA pool when Rockhold was champ? He and his team planned to fight him or Weidman. Do you propose they knew Weidman was gonna pull out? And then Bisping would be put in and he'd pull off the upset?

No one ever wants to talk about the sheer amount of shit that had to happen for it to be GSP/Bisping. He'd have to be Nostradamus to have predicted all of this:

• Weidman would pull out of the rematch with Rockhold last minute
• Romero would be suspended because of a tainted supplement that he would ultimately get cleared off and couldn't step in like he should've been able to without this false suspension
• Jacare would be injured and unable to step in
• Bisping, off in the middle of filming XxX, would step in with no training or conditioning
• Bisping would win against Rockhold, who had previously choked him out pretty easily
• Woodley would get a title shot after making weight but not actually fighting Hendricks who didn't make weight and got pulled
• Woodley would shockingly beat Lawler, getting rid of GSP's most compelling fight at WW given Lawler was coming off beating all his rivals/pals in Hendricks, Rory, and Condit
• GSP announces he's moving to MW to fight Bisping
• Bisping and the UFC instead make Bisping/Henderson II rather than GSP or any of Weidman, Rockhold, Jacare, Mousasi, etc. All those contenders end up being matched among themselves
• Bisping beats Henderson by decision that many think he lost so Bisping remains champ instead of Henderson
• Had Henderson won and retired we'd need a vacant title match which obviously requires 2 fighters stepping in, not 1
• Either way there's ultimately no trilogy despite the controversy and them being 1-1 with each other
• Bisping is injured and GSP wants more time to move up properly so Whittaker/Romero is made for an interim title. Whittaker surprisingly wins.
• Whittaker, despite being interim champion and this 99% of the time happening, doesn't get to unify with Bisping
• Bisping is instead allowed to defend against GSP and that winner will instead unify with Whittaker
• GSP wins and then vacates/retires despite being contractually obligated to defend as the UFC had literally written that into his contract. The UFC doesn't bother pursuing making him defend like they could

And this is just all the shit off the top of my head.

Like I'm sorry, but you're a conspiracy theorist of the highest order if you think GSP somehow planned all this shit out. It took incredible amounts of luck for all this to play out exactly as it did so that they actually ended up fighting one another. In like 99/100 other timelines this never happens.

Let alone everybody pretending like Whittaker was some improvement over GSP.

• Whittaker is promoted to undisputed champion and is set to defend against Rockhold but pulls out due to staph
• Romero steps in for an interim title but is overweight and so doesn't win the interim title when he KOs Rockhold
• Whittaker is set to defend against Romero anyways, who again misses weight and so it's a non-title bout with no belt on the line or defence for Whittaker if he wins
• Whittaker is set to defend against Gastelum but pulls out with only hours left before their fight and so Izzy/Gas is made for an interim belt which Izzy wins in a surprisingly absolute back and forth slug fest
• Whittaker actually defends against Izzy in Oct 2019, nearly 2 years after GSP had won the title

The whole division was a giant clusterfuck for 2 years after GSP had already left. It's only once Izzy won the belt that the division returned to any sense of normalcy. But instead a lot of people pretend like Whittaker's reign was a return to normal. He may have perhaps (at the time) been the best in the division, but his reign sucked from a title perspective.

 

[tonystpierre]

My favourite is when people try and pretend like Bisping was an easy matchup for GSP.

Why yes, please tell me more about how the big former LHW, with great striking, decent power, great cardio, great defensive grappling and TDD, good chin, and active and on the best run of his career, was such an easy matchup for a past prime WW moving up to MW for the first time ever, 4 years after retiring, who's main strength was his grappling, and who nearly always won by decision.

Please. Please show me the posts predicting that GSP would knock down Bisping standing with his boxing and then choke him out. Please, I'm dying to see all these people's Nostradamus predictions. They never happened.

Bisping being an easier matchup than others like Rockhold, Romero, Jacare, Whittaker, or Weidman is NOT the same thing as Bisping himself being an easy matchup stylistically. He absolutely was not. And indeed proved not to be in reality too, giving GSP one of his hardest fights ever.

Exactly. Bisping is a tough guy and was a decently tough matchup. Sure he wasn't no Romero,Whittaker etc.
but he had Great striking, Great cardio, Decent Grappling, Solid Submissions and IMO an Underrated Bottom Game. Bisping was a Scrappy well rounded fighter. Also after 4 years of being gone what do people expect Georges would do anyways. Do they really think it's fair for Georges to immediately fight these younger guys in their primes like Whittaker who wasn't even champion at the time anyways. Its not easy at all to fight at a weight that isn't your natural fighting weight (Especially after being gone for 4 years) and everyone who trains MMA should already know this.

 

[Mind Mine]

i don't consider gsp a two-weight champ. one fight beating the champion doesn't make you a champion to me. you have to fight contenders before and then fight the champion to become a true champion. i mean damn, even at least one contender before lol.

it's all marketing by the ufc. and gsp knew it. he knew that one win over bisping would give him that title. he didn't want to compete. he simply wanted the title.

Let’s not forget at least win vs an opponent with two eyes

 

[Mind Mine]

Then what was the point of coming back? To prove you can beat a gatekeeper from your own generation who only has one working eye?

Well spoken

 

[Goldentrophy]

I feel like I'm in the Askyourself discord server with all this bantering over logic

 

[m249viking]

Mods will delete or move this thread.

Keep the thread, ditch the TS

 

[markg171]

That time GSP did not cock block the whole division.

Only GSP could get flak for doing the honorable thing.

GSP won and vacated the title within 1 month.

Whittaker meanwhile didn't actually defend the title until 2 years after this. It only took a month of being champ before he'd already pulled out of a defence.

I love Whittaker, but anybody pretending like Whittaker was an improvement as a champion isn't being honest. At the time people were wishing Whittaker would vacate too. Izzy was the return to normalcy and having an active champion, and as mentioned that took 2 years. That's way worse than GSP deciding after a month he'd relinquish the belt rather than hold things up.

 

[Mind Mine]

Yes I know what happened. Bisping wanted to fight a bloated WW with no knees who hadn't fought in 4 years and thought it would be an easy win.

Nearly half of Sherdog thought Bisping was going to win and that's a fact. All this other bologna only came up after because GSP's little baby hater fanbase had to move the goal posts because he beat a guy who just finished beating Anderson Silva, Luke Rockhold and Dan Henderson back to back to back while GSP had 0 fights in 4 years.

Dude stop. Anderson was a shell of himself when he fought Bisping. Bisping was blind when he fought GSP

 

[chinarice]

Dude stop. Anderson was a shell of himself when he fought Bisping. Bisping was blind when he fought GSP

GSP had no knees when he fought Bisping, never fought at 185, Bisping was a former LHW and GSP hadn't fought in 4 years.

Dude, stop indeed

55/45 split on Sherdog when the fight was announced

All this shit is hindsight talk after the fact. The Sherdog bullshit way

 

[markg171]

Let’s not forget at least win vs an opponent with two eyes

Except nobody knew Bisping only had 1 eye until 2 years after he fought GSP when he revealed it in an interview. Before this everybody knew he'd had occasional vision issues ever since the Vitor KO, but they thought he had a functioning eye still. It's literally why he was still being allowed to fight.

Not to mention how silly this is when he lost the eye in 2013 and then still fought 9x before GSP where he went 7-2 and was on a 5 fight win streak. That was his longest win streak since his first loss that broke his 14 undefeated streak way back in 2007.

The eye thing only became an excuse after the fact. And the proper response to it was everybody being in awe that he'd been fighting, and mostly winning, with only 1 eye.

 

[Deleted member 513083]

GSP fans in Damage control mode.

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

No one ever wants to talk about the sheer amount of shit that had to happen for it to be GSP/Bisping. He'd have to be Nostradamus to have predicted all of this:

• Weidman would pull out of the rematch with Rockhold last minute
• Romero would be suspended because of a tainted supplement that he would ultimately get cleared off and couldn't step in like he should've been able to without this false suspension
• Jacare would be injured and unable to step in
• Bisping, off in the middle of filming XxX, would step in with no training or conditioning
• Bisping would win against Rockhold, who had previously choked him out pretty easily
• Woodley would get a title shot after making weight but not actually fighting Hendricks who didn't make weight and got pulled
• Woodley would shockingly beat Lawler, getting rid of GSP's most compelling fight at WW given Lawler was coming off beating all his rivals/pals in Hendricks, Rory, and Condit
• GSP announces he's moving to MW to fight Bisping
• Bisping and the UFC instead make Bisping/Henderson II rather than GSP or any of Weidman, Rockhold, Jacare, Mousasi, etc. All those contenders end up being matched among themselves
• Bisping beats Henderson by decision that many think he lost so Bisping remains champ instead of Henderson
• Had Henderson won and retired we'd need a vacant title match which obviously requires 2 fighters stepping in, not 1
• Either way there's ultimately no trilogy despite the controversy and them being 1-1 with each other
• Bisping is injured and GSP wants more time to move up properly so Whittaker/Romero is made for an interim title. Whittaker surprisingly wins.
• Whittaker, despite being interim champion and this 99% of the time happening, doesn't get to unify with Bisping
• Bisping is instead allowed to defend against GSP and that winner will instead unify with Whittaker
• GSP wins and then vacates/retires despite being contractually obligated to defend as the UFC had literally written that into his contract. The UFC doesn't bother pursuing making him defend like they could

And this is just all the shit off the top of my head.

Like I'm sorry, but you're a conspiracy theorist of the highest order if you think GSP somehow planned all this shit out. It took incredible amounts of luck for all this to play out exactly as it did so that they actually ended up fighting one another. In like 99/100 other timelines this never happens.

Let alone everybody pretending like Whittaker was some improvement over GSP.

• Whittaker is promoted to undisputed champion and is set to defend against Rockhold but pulls out due to staph
• Romero steps in for an interim title but is overweight and so doesn't win the interim title when he KOs Rockhold
• Whittaker is set to defend against Romero anyways, who again misses weight and so it's a non-title bout with no belt on the line or defence for Whittaker if he wins
• Whittaker is set to defend against Gastelum but pulls out with only hours left before their fight and so Izzy/Gas is made for an interim belt which Izzy wins in a surprisingly absolute back and forth slug fest
• Whittaker actually defends against Izzy in Oct 2019, nearly 2 years after GSP had won the title

The whole division was a giant clusterfuck for 2 years after GSP had already left. It's only once Izzy won the belt that the division returned to any sense of normalcy. But instead a lot of people pretend like Whittaker's reign was a return to normal. He may have perhaps (at the time) been the best in the division, but his reign sucked from a title perspective.

I'm not sure I understood what you said.

Could you please rephrase?