That time GSP ducked fighting Whittaker

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I don’t need an acute sense of awareness or need to be looking at the right angle to see that you’re being obtuse in regards to the word “speculation” if homeboy was being obtuse in regards to the word “logic”. I’m sorry if I’m being obtuse here myself I’m just keeping it 100.

 

[SamuraiBro]

so how does everyone think a fight with GSP and Rob would go? at that time id call it an even matchup.

At the time yeah I think it could go either way. Would be a gruelling fight for both.

 

[Brit_Brawler]

Gsp is a more diverse version of Rob. Rob is almost as good everywhere and way bigger. Gsp would've likely lost that one

 

[JakePaulMMA]

Sheer idiocy.

Beating the champion means you become the champion. It's a matter of record and isn't even debatable.

You're confusing being a long-standing Champion with simply "becoming" Champion by beating the champion.

You can't make up your own definitions.

GSP became the Champion, and the record will forever show that he was Champion, despite whatever mental masturbation calisthenics you wish to do about it.

And Matt Serra forever knocked GSP flat on his ass.

Your point is valid, I'm just piling on.

 

[piropiro]

i don't consider gsp a two-weight champ. one fight beating the champion doesn't make you a champion to me. you have to fight contenders before and then fight the champion to become a true champion. i mean damn, even at least one contender before lol.

it's all marketing by the ufc. and gsp knew it. he knew that one win over bisping would give him that title. he didn't want to compete. he simply wanted the title.

Beating the champion is literally what makes you the champion ...

 

[Oz.Pride]

I have a BA in Philosophy, of which "logic" is a major component.

Your musings are the exact opposite of logic — and are the very "mental masturbation" I was talking about. Here is how logic works:

1. To become the Champion, a fighter has to beat the Champion in a Championship Title Fight;
   
2. The fight between Michael Bisping and Georges St. Pierre was a Championship Title Fight;
   
3. Georges St. Pierre won that fight

• THEREFORE: Georges St. Pierre became Champion

That's how logic works. No nuances, it's cut and dry.

Again, there's nothing to debate.

4. Then he ducked Whittaker

 

[Brigfa2]

There are levels to this shit, you can put Jones on 1 or 2 depending on if you think he waited for easy opponent or not
1- DC, Conor, Cejudo going up without any sneaky plans and winning
2- GSP waiting for easy opponent and winning
3- Adesanya waiting for easy opponent and still losing but still above the people never going up
4- Khabib and DJ never going up because the fear of losing

 

[Mike]

There are levels to this shit, you can put Jones on 1 or 2 depending on if you think he waited for easy opponent or not
1- DC, Conor, Cejudo going up without any sneaky plans and winning
2- GSP waiting for easy opponent and winning
3- Adesanya waiting for easy opponent and still losing but still above the people never going up
4- Khabib and DJ never going up because the fear of losing

Never going up? It's baffling when people say this. DJ spent a big chunk of his career fighting at 135, including against Cruz for the title.

 

[Dan O'Burke]

There are levels to this shit, you can put Jones on 1 or 2 depending on if you think he waited for easy opponent or not
1- DC, Conor, Cejudo going up without any sneaky plans and winning
2- GSP waiting for easy opponent and winning
3- Adesanya waiting for easy opponent and still losing but still above the people never going up
4- Khabib and DJ never going up because the fear of losing

You have to include Randy in there too.

 

[Dan O'Burke]

The only people butt hurt GSP didn't defend the title, are the ones that want to be.

Look at how the TS frames Georges comments.
He says "GSP denied it repeatedly saying he would defend the MW belt if he wins"

but the quote in his linked post reads:

“I have to defend my title,” St-Pierre said. “It’s written in my contract. I have to defend my title if I win.”

Anyone not playing stupid knows these are very different comments.

It was clear from the words GSP chose, he wasn't intending to stick around.
It was clear the UFC wanted this fight, and wanted no blame in promoting this fight and delaying their MW division even longer. They tried to excuse their part by pretending they had some contract that bound Georges to fight.

Ping, Georges, and UFC all knew the situation, and cashed in. All three parties were happy, and they hustled you.

UFC and Georges told you he was bound by contract to defend and a lot of morons ate that up, believed it, thought it could actually be enforced, and chose to be upset for half a decade over it.

It was shady all around and made all including GSP look bad!

 

[Dan O'Burke]

The last e-mail from Rodolphe reads this:

"From: Rodolphe Beaulieu

Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:52 PM

To: Keith Kizer

Cc: Michael Mersch; Firas; Ted

Subject: Re: RE:

Hello all,

We spoke with Georges today and he took his decision so for your information, Georges has decided that if Johny Hendricks does not want to do VADA and prefers your proposed enhanced steroid and drug testing by the Nevada Athletic Commission, Georges will also do it, in addition to VADA.

I will be out of the office without access to email or voicemail until Aug. 27th but in the meantime, please provide us with all documentation, a detailed invoice and payment instructions necessary to proceed with such enhanced steroid and drug testing by the Commission.

Best regards

Rodolphe"

No further communication from Kizer, or Johny. Georges ended up doing VADA testing on his own. Hendricks did nothing.

Hendricks saw red flags in GSP's relationship with VADA...has to be disregarded. The smoking gun is why GSP's lawyers asked those questions. Please answer that.

 

[suffersystem]

Hendricks saw red flags in GSP's relationship with VADA...has to be disregarded. The smoking gun is why GSP's lawyers asked those questions. Please answer that.

In the end GSP did both NSAC and VADA testing, and LOL at thinking VADA was going to risk their reputation for GSP and do something out of line with his results.

 

[TJ Dillashank]

This whole thread:

Would sherdog be the same without these kind of threads though

 

[Hotora86]

Would sherdog be the same without these kind of threads though

Would be 90% less volume, that's for sure.

 

[killakillakilla]

Hendricks saw red flags in GSP's relationship with VADA...has to be disregarded. The smoking gun is why GSP's lawyers asked those questions. Please answer that.

It should not be disregarded that Hendricks’ team saw “red flags” in the relationship between GSP and VADA because Condit’s team also refused to do VADA testing for the same reason in the lead up to his fight vs GSP. Both teams obviously felt there was something suspicious there with GSPs close relationship with VADA. And then Condit proposed comprehensive testing through USADA and GSP effectively declined that by never saying yes or no to Condit.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

Everyone knew GSP was coming back to fight Bisping because it was an easy opportunity to get the MW belt and we all knew that he had no plans to defend it.

GSP denied it repeatedly saying he would defend the MW belt if he wins it and saying it was in his contract that he had to defend the belt - blah blah blah.

Then he beats Bisping and shortly after says he has ulcerative colitis so he can’t defend the belt. Whittaker was up next.

Y’all consider that an “official” duck by GSP? I do.

https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/8/...iddleweight-title-if-he-beats-michael-bisping

Ya fighting a guy who fought at 205 before and just K.Oed Luke Rockhold who was the champion is an easy fight for a guy who fought at 170lbs his entire career coming off a long layoff and had previous knee issues lmfao ...


It was only an easy fight because GSP won...

In reality it was a tough fight for GSP he took damage and he had to gut through it to get the win...

GSP didnt need or want to do anything more then win the belt at 185lbs that was the challenge...he sacrificed his body to get there ... He was never meant to competing at 185lbs...even now that he's retired he looks closer to a 155er then anything else...

GSP fought the absolute best he could each time out and won ... Haters gunna hate...but thats facts

 

[killakillakilla]

What's next, Greasegate revisited? Lol

Lol I’m going to make a post about GSP refusing to do USADA testing in the lead up to his fight with Condit! Stay tuned

 

[BoomStronk]

i was with you, until you said, "earned in their own weightclass". nope. you want to fight in a certain division, start from down to top. if you're so damn good, then prove it. do not allow lower weight fighters to leapfrog you. it's completely unfair.

I guess we just disagree then. I don't think your conception works to create any superfights which would be unfortunate. Can you imagine how impossible it would be for volkanovski to move up, with no rank whatsoever, and fight, what? 5? Fights before he could challenge for the lw belt? It would take years. It would never happen.

And what does it prove? How is it unfair? A fighter like gsp has earned his chops as a ww fighter and that bleeds over to other weightclasses to a certain degree.

It sounds like you are opposed to auperfights. And if you aren't opposed to them in theory, in practice this arrangement would all but guarantee they don't happen. That's way less fair for the Champs who want to add significant challenges to their resumes, and it's way less fair for the fans who want to see who would win a fight between two Champs in neighboring weightclasses. So, fair to whom exactly?

 

[MRT]

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Y’all consider that an “official” duck by GSP? I do.

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No.

 

[DagOban**]

That time GSP did not cock block the whole division.

Only GSP could get flak for doing the honorable thing.