That time GSP ducked fighting Whittaker

IIIIIIII said:
i don't consider gsp a two-weight champ. one fight beating the champion doesn't make you a champion to me. you have to fight contenders before and then fight the champion to become a true champion. i mean damn, even at least one contender before lol.

it's all marketing by the ufc. and gsp knew it. he knew that one win over bisping would give him that title. he didn't want to compete. he simply wanted the title.
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That disqualifies basically every two weight champ except Ranndy.
 
chinarice said:
It's true. It's in 2016 because 500 internet sites say he entered in 2016 and just the score say otheriwse. lol The Score.
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I mean I know for a fact it’s not. He said he would start testing for USADA in 2016 but officially he entered the pool in March 2017. All the sites reported based on what GSP said, not what he actually did.

Either way, August 2016 is after Rockhold lost so it’s a moot point.
 
IIIIIIII said:
wrong.

i guarantee you that lots of fighters from other weightclasses could defeat other champions from different weightclasses. it's simply math. if given the opportunity, that can certainly take place.

look what jon jones just did. he beat gane to become the heavyweight champion. did he fight any contenders? no. could he lose to certain current heavyweight contenders? well, we don't know. why? because he hasn't fought any of them. you have to fight competition before you should be allowed to fight for the belt. why have contenders, if they don't have the chance to fight for the belt?

do you understand my logic, now?
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Sort of. You're saying undeserved championship challenges that are successful don't have the same weight as someone grinding their way through the rankings and besting the champ, and then defending the title.

I agree that the latter is more impressive, but I disagree that there are many non champ fighters in other weightclasses who could simply move weightclasses and take the belt. If that was true, we'd see it happen.

The times where something like that has happened, have been times where a current and/or dominant champ moves to another weightclass. In these cases, as in gsps case, these fighters have earned their shots via dominance in their original weightclass. Replace "fighting your way up the rankings" with "dominate a different weightclass" as justification for the title shot, which is totally fair.

You want an example of a bullshit title fight - Hendo bisping 2.
 
Can’t Handle My Riddum said:
I mean I know for a fact it’s not. He said he would start testing for USADA in 2016 but officially he entered the pool in March 2017. All the sites reported based on what GSP said, not what he actually did.

Either way, August 2016 is after Rockhold lost so it’s a moot point.
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Bisping still had yet to defend against Dan Henderson, which you all claim he came back for a cherrypick title fight with a guy who still had to defend his belt.

You're right, the "GSP came back to cherrypick Bisping for the MW belt" is now proven to be a moot point indeed!
 
chinarice said:
Ok but you guys claim he cherrypicked Bisping which based on the USADA pool evidence, is false.

August 2016, Bisping still hadn't defended against Dan Henderson so there goes that long-standing narrative of him cherrypicking Bisping. He had no way of knowing Bisping would still be champ when he entered the pool.
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GSP fan:

If GSP entered the testing pool while Rockhold was MW champ it’s proof that he wanted to fight Rockhold.

Also

Just because GSP entered the testing pool when Bisping was champ it doesn’t mean he wanted to fight Bisping.
 
killakillakilla said:
GSP fan here:

If GSP entered the testing pool while Rockhold was MW champ so it’s proof that he wanted to fight Rockhold.

Also

Just because GSP entered the testing pool when Bisping was champ it doesn’t mean he wanted to fight Bisping.
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GSP entered the pool when Bisping still was defending against other people that weren't him.

GSP haters:

HERP DI DI DERP DA DERP
 
chinarice said:
Ok but you guys claim he cherrypicked Bisping which based on the USADA pool evidence, is false.

August 2016, Bisping still hadn't defended against Dan Henderson so there goes that long-standing narrative of him cherrypicking Bisping. He had no way of knowing Bisping would still be champ when he entered the pool.
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GSP was talking about wanting to fight Bisping before he entered the testing pool. Here’s an article about it from June 2016. I’m sorry man but you are just wrong here. Stop trying to rewrite history. You know what happened-

https://mmatorch.com/2016/06/21/gsp...ght-to-the-ufc-hes-the-man-to-beat-right-now/
 
killakillakilla said:
GSP was talking about wanting to fight Bisping before he entered the testing pool. Here’s an article about it from June 2016. I’m sorry man but you are just wrong here. Stop trying to rewrite history. You know what happened-

https://mmatorch.com/2016/06/21/gsp...ght-to-the-ufc-hes-the-man-to-beat-right-now/
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Yes I know what happened. Bisping wanted to fight a bloated WW with no knees who hadn't fought in 4 years and thought it would be an easy win.

Nearly half of Sherdog thought Bisping was going to win and that's a fact. All this other bologna only came up after because GSP's little baby hater fanbase had to move the goal posts because he beat a guy who just finished beating Anderson Silva, Luke Rockhold and Dan Henderson back to back to back while GSP had 0 fights in 4 years.
 
Gsp would have never fought prime Bobby, Yoel or Weidman the same way Jon would have never fought prime Francis. Both are brilliant mmartists from matchmaking to technique. Their fight iq and risk assessment are off the charts.
 
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chinarice said:
Yes I know what happened. Bisping wanted to fight a bloated WW with no knees who hadn't fought in 4 years and thought it would be an easy win.

Nearly half of Sherdog thought Bisping was going to win and that's a fact. All this other bologna only came up after because GSP's little baby hater fanbase had to move the goal posts because he beat a guy who just finished beating Anderson Silva, Luke Rockhold and Dan Henderson back to back to back while GSP had 0 fights in 4 years.
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See here you go trying to change the narrative again after you’ve been proven wrong in this thread. That’s what GSP fans do. I’m done arguing with you. I won this debate.
 
killakillakilla said:
See here you go trying to change the narrative again after you’ve been proven wrong in this thread. That’s what GSP fans do. I’m done arguing with you. I won this debate.
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They do that or accuse people of being banned numerous times.
 
chinarice said:
Too funny. "I won"

Ahhh to be 15 again lol

Goodnight little fella.
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I did win this debate. You argued that GSP entered the testing pool while Rockhold was champ cause he was intending to fight Rockhold. I proved that he didn’t enter the testing pool when Rockhold was champ and had no interest in fighting Rockhold.

You argued that GSP didn’t enter the testing pool trying to fight Bisping and I proved that he did have Bisping in mind as his opponent when he entered the testing pool.

Debates are usually vague but this one is clear. You were proved wrong in this thread as in the stuff you posted wasn’t true. I won.

and you proved my original point with this- GSP fans are always trying to rewrite the narrative and rewrite history to favor GSP which is what you were trying to do.
 
Blastbeat said:
so how does everyone think a fight with GSP and Rob would go? at that time id call it an even matchup.
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Your kidding right? That version of GSP would have got slapped up. Everyone knew he wasn't sticking around. Smart move tbh can't say I blame him.
 
HavokHarmon said:
That disqualifies basically every two weight champ except Ranndy.
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pretty much. and i blame mcgregor for starting this stupid trend. if you actually want to become a two-division champion, it actually requires you to go through all the up-comers and current contenders, which is WAY more difficult, than it is to simply beat the champion one time, without fighting contenders.
 
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Stump said:
Sort of. You're saying undeserved championship challenges that are successful don't have the same weight as someone grinding their way through the rankings and besting the champ, and then defending the title.

I agree that the latter is more impressive, but I disagree that there are many non champ fighters in other weightclasses who could simply move weightclasses and take the belt. If that was true, we'd see it happen.

The times where something like that has happened, have been times where a current and/or dominant champ moves to another weightclass. In these cases, as in gsps case, these fighters have earned their shots via dominance in their original weightclass. Replace "fighting your way up the rankings" with "dominate a different weightclass" as justification for the title shot, which is totally fair.

You want an example of a bullshit title fight - Hendo bisping 2.
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i was with you, until you said, "earned in their own weightclass". nope. you want to fight in a certain division, start from down to top. if you're so damn good, then prove it. do not allow lower weight fighters to leapfrog you. it's completely unfair.
 
IIIIIIII said:
pretty much. and i blame mcgregor for starting this stupid trend. if you actually want to become a two-division champion, it actually requires you to go through all the up-comers and current contenders, which is WAY more difficult, than it is to simply beat the champion one time, without fighting contenders.
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That sort of runs in contrast to the way it’s done in general. The idea is that being dominant at a given weight class cancels out the need to fight contenders, because defending your title against multiple contenders is also challenging, even if done at a weight class below or above. For that reason they’re able to skip the line.

Even Randy technically fought for a title in his first outing at LHW, so depending on how you define it you might even be saying there are no two weight champions.
 
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I was at MSG the night he won the belt. I immediately knew he would never defend it. Turns out I was right.
 
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