Students Suspended Indefinitely For Confederate Flag

[Halge]

First, why would I show a person who displays a flag of traitors and slaves respect?

I don't know. Why should you show anyone who disagrees with you any respect?

 

[jmadtx]

the quotes are stupid and the kids are stupid.

 

[Scrody]

well, I guess if you believe mass murder is the worst, worse than killing lots of people in other ways, then ok you have the right to that opinion.

What does this even mean? The Nazis had all sorts of ways of killing people. Luckily that genocidal mentality wasn't amongst the Confederacy.

 

[UpaLoompa]

well, I guess if you believe mass murder is the worst, worse than killing lots of people in other ways, then ok you have the right to that opinion.

Kind of hard to argue. One was a shorter term horrific historical episode. The other was a longer term horrific historical episode.

Systematic extermination or systematic enslavement and killing?
Guess it depends if you're a half empty or half full type?

Quick wiki check suggests around 2 million people died in transit.

 

[TheBox]

The confederate flag however, has much wider connotations. Despite the wishes and ardent efforts of some people to make it just about slavery.

The Confederate flag has one overwhelming connotation, despite the wishes and ardent efforts of some people to whitewash it or rewrite history.

 

[UpaLoompa]

I don't know. Why should you show anyone who disagrees with you any respect?

I can disagree someone and still respect them, and often do. I don't show respect to people that hold deplorable views and don't think there's any reason why I should.

 

[Falsedawn]

Hay guise, when I fly the Nazi flag, it totally represents German pride. Yeah Germany!

Amidoinitrite?

 

[UpaLoompa]

The confederate flag however, has much wider connotations. Despite the wishes and ardent efforts of some people to make it just about slavery.

Among a very small part of the population. Moreover, I'd bet a lot of money that the part of the population that does ascribe other meanings to the flag also is predominantly racist to boot.

 

[Halge]

If I understand this correctly, why did the south accept other policies forced upon them but decided this one specific policy was worth fighting awar over?

Logical fallacy. If people accept something, it is not forced upon them. The south defended its right to say no, and their right not to need permission from a federal government. I believe the core argument was that anyone has the right to declare independence if their government has become destructive to one's welfare. The same justification was used for the American Revolutionary War.

 

[Scrody]

Hay guise, when I fly the Nazi flag, it totally represents German pride. Yeah Germany!

Amidoinitrite?

No.

 

[IDL]

Does this flag mean different things to different people?

This could just be a way of ironing out multiple views into one large conformist one.

 

[UpaLoompa]

Logical fallacy. If people accept something, it is not forced upon them. The south defended its right to say no, and their right not to need permission from a federal government. I believe the core argument was that anyone has the right to declare independence if their government has become destructive to one's welfare. The same justification was used for the American Revolutionary War.

I.e. owning slaves.

 

[Tekk]

Not today it isn't. Today the confederate flag is about freedom. Racist accusations is a strawman argument.

Last month at the Georgia capital

 

[Falsedawn]

No.

But the National Socialist German Worker's Party advocated heavy German nationalism! Like, so much that they fought a war for a large and strong German empire.

You just dont get it.

 

[Halge]

Among a very small part of the population.

'kay.

Moreover, I'd bet a lot of money that the part of the population that does ascribe other meanings to the flag also is predominantly racist to boot.

You are a prejudiced person. But I don't see why it matters if people are racist, if racism isn't the reason they like the confederate flag.

 

[D Train]

It's like people are looking for reasons to feel offended.

 

[Halge]

Last month at the Georgia capital

 

[SammyPops]

What does this even mean? The Nazis had all sorts of ways of killing people. Luckily that genocidal mentality wasn't amongst the Confederacy.

I cannot understand that mass murder is worse than murdering individuals during slavery, as I understand your point

 

[oldshadow]

In truth the US

 

[Scrody]

But the National Socialist German Worker's Party advocated heavy German nationalism! Like, so much that they fought a war for a large and strong German empire.

You just dont get it.

So, the Germans and the Confederacy are comparable in terms of destruction and loss of life, genocide etc?