Students Suspended Indefinitely For Confederate Flag

[UpaLoompa]

Can you quantify the 'worse' evil?

Hence my "half full, half empty" comment. Fuck if I know which was "worse", both rank up there on the atrocity list.

 

[Halge]

Notably Lynyrd Skynyrd stopped displaying the flag for a little while for the exact reasons you're saying don't exist.

Yes, the people propagating the notion that the confederate flag only stands for racism got to them.
Question is, in all those years Skynyrd used the confederate flag, did they ever do it because they meant to condone slavery?

It is obvious there is an ongoing struggle over what the confederate flag is supposed to represent. If your side wins, congratulations - we'll have another symbol promoting racism. We need more of those...

 

[ncordless]

That's what I meant. The widespread death and destruction that came from the Civil War is nothing compared to WWII. That's why I get irritated when people compare the Nazis and the Comfederates.

Sure, but when you consider the death and destruction of the Atlantic Slave Trade and American slavery, including the Civil War, you are in comparable territory.

I totally agree with you that Axis actions were worse, but their are not so different as to be incomparable.

 

[UpaLoompa]

Also notably, Skynyrd's most famous song is retort to Neil Young's "Southern Man". Young sang about the continued legacy of slavery and racism in the south. Skynyrd's reply was to tell Neil Young to mind his own business, and declare their support for the racist governor George Walllace and his attempts to keep racial segregation alive.

That's actually probably not the case. Decades back they talked about how they opposed Wallace and that the following lines actually sung are "boo, boo, boo". As I said they also recognized the racist connotations of the confederate flag.

 

[bowened]

Not today it isn't. Today the confederate flag is about freedom. Racist accusations is a strawman argument.

Freedom...aka...a culture of unparallelled entitlement.

People like to complain about "entitlement" today, but this was people fighting for their "right" to have a lazy and immoral economic model that was held up by a safety net of institutionalized human trafficking, that could ultimately sink the entire country if left in place. Basically, it's people coming together saying, "We don't want to work hard, and it's our right not to work hard and enslave humans from another country to do work do our work for us

 

[UpaLoompa]

Yes, the people propagating the notion that the confederate flag only stands for racism got to them.
Question is, in all those years Skynyrd used the confederate flag, did they ever do it because they meant to condone slavery?

It is obvious there is an ongoing struggle over what the confederate flag is supposed to represent. If your side wins, congratulations - we'll have another symbol promoting racism. We need more of those...

This is just laughable. The confederate flag is viewed as a symbol promoting racism because the civil war was primarily fought about the "states' rights" issue of owning black people. This isn't some manufactured view.

What southern institution was being fought for by the confederacy? The only one even you have offered up is slavery.

 

[Scrody]

The Nazis didn't slaughter the Chinese either.

No, but they were allies with the ones who did.

 

[James Keith]

Sure, but when you consider the death and destruction of the Atlantic Slave Trade and American slavery, including the Civil War, you are in comparable territory.

I totally agree with you that Axis actions were worse, but their are not so different as to be incomparable.

And what percentage of the atlantic slave trade was performed by the confederacy again? For that matter even the US?

 

[speakhandsforme]

Yes, the people propagating the notion that the confederate flag only stands for racism got to them.
Question is, in all those years Skynyrd used the confederate flag, did they ever do it because they meant to condone slavery?

It is obvious there is an ongoing struggle over what the confederate flag is supposed to represent. If your side wins, congratulations - we'll have another symbol promoting racism. We need more of those...

Haha, I love the "Southern pride" crowd. Frankly, I'd rather be proudly racist than proudly uneducated, unwashed, and stubbornly scared of change. Pick your point of pride.

 

[Thanos]

here u go ya bunch of numb nutses

http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/FLAG/confederateflag.htm

 

[Rusk]

Freedom?

 

[Calmete]

Union states had slaves. Is that flag racist? How about the foreign countries who sold slaves, are they racist too?

 

[TheBox]

Union states had slaves. Is that flag racist? How about the foreign countries who sold slaves, are they racist too?

Most countries have long histories full of both great and terrible events.

The Confederacy is basically known for one thing, and it's awful. It's flag is going to be strongly associated with that one thing.

 

[oldshadow]

Most countries have long histories full of both great and terrible events.

The Confederacy is basically known for one thing, and it's awful. It's flag is going to be strongly associated with that one thing.

And here is the difference, most in the north it would seem only see the south in this way and those in the south see their history as much more then just slavery.

 

[IDL]

Union states had slaves. Is that flag racist? How about the foreign countries who sold slaves, are they racist too?

I think there should be just one world flag, and on it will be a symbol of an elevator.

For the anthem, well it will be elevator music.

 

[TheBox]

And here is the difference, most in the north it would seem only see the south in this way and those in the south see their history as much more then just slavery.

Can you tell me what the Confederate South was otherwise notable for?

 

[Halge]

Haha, I love the "Southern pride" crowd. Frankly, I'd rather be proudly racist than proudly uneducated, unwashed, and stubbornly scared of change. Pick your point of pride.

Oh, but the confederate flag is used globally. And if it isn't a primarily antiauthoritarian symbol in the U.S, it certainly is in the rest of the world. It is not often used as a symbol for conservative values, however.

 

[Halge]

What southern institution was being fought for by the confederacy? The only one even you have offered up is slavery.

Once again; self-governance.

 

[TheBox]

Once again; self-governance.

Can you elaborate?

You were already wrong about self-governance regarding slavery. The Confederate Constitution did not allow their states to establish their own slavery policies.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

And here is the difference, most in the north it would seem only see the south in this way and those in the south see their history as much more then just slavery.

And here is the difference between winning and losing.