Striking numbers for Sandhagen vs Dillashaw

[AP_RESURRECTION]

But how was the 5th even close in terms of strikes or damage inflicted??

I feel it was 3-2 Sandhagen. It's not that hard for the judges to interpret one of the other rounds for TJ instead, making it 3-2 TJ. One dude gave TJ the fifth round which doesnt make sense, but not at all surprising. I am not sure these guys even watch the fight closely and/or there is gambling pressure we dont hear about (or other non-purist reasons). That judge who gave the 5th to TJ is Sal D, he's a long time judge.

 

[robbie]

This happened during round 2. There are 5 rounds in a fight.

Dude, do you really think you are the only person who knows that this was a five round fight? Cory won the 5th and deciding round by a wide margin and the one or two rounds that TJ "won" were close, but not real clear cut. This fight reminded me a lot of the Masvidal - Iaquinta fight (three rounds) a few years back that I saw live in person. Masvidal pieced up Iaquinta badly and lost a split decision and the crowd very loudly booed the decision which would have happened last night had there been a large live audience.

You seem unwilling to consider effectiveness for some unexplained reason and illogically believe that all strikes are equal. Here is an example for you. You and I compete in a 1 minute fight. We are both overly cautious to protect our heads and nothing lands upstairs only misses, parries or blocks. You land one glancing body shot in the middle of the round. You are regularly coming forward with pressure trying to force me to the cage wall. I have excellent footwork and circle left or circle right every time to avoid getting trapped. In the middle of the cage, my footwork is in and out and circling left or right. I land a massive left hook to your liver with only 3 seconds left in the round. You're wobbly, but able avoid me for 3 seconds. The horn sounds and I'm unable to fully capitalize with more punishment while you are hobbled. Who won the fight? The stat sheet says the strikes are even at one apiece.

A) Is it a draw?
B) Do you win because you came forward more often than I did?
C) Do I win because I was more effective and landed the only strike of real consequence?

I believe in professional combat sports, the judges need to understand highly effective vs. moderately effective vs. not effective. I believe the correct answer is C because this is not a little kid karate tournament with padding and head gear on and every touch counts the same. One last thing, if this was a street fight, I would absolutely prefer to be Cory and not TJ which is probably the opinion of 100% of the people who watched the fight last night? Why is that?

I'm done with this conversation since its doubtful that either of us will change the other's mind.

 

[JackBlack]

Cory won the 5th and deciding round by a wide margin

Numbers for Round 5
Cory
38 of 83 Total strikes=42 of 87
TJ
40 of 88 Total strikes= 44 0f 92.

You are right. Cory won that round by a "wide margin"

 

[xHeadx]

(Disclaimer: though i disagree with TJ winning it, i understand that the fight can be scored 3-2 for either man - personally it feels wrong to me that the guy doing more damage didn't get the nod here, but it's perfectly fine to score it 3-2 for TJ.)


For those that can't see the post for whatever reason:

Sign. head strikes
Sandhagen: 110/258 (43% Acc.)
Dillashaw: 59/208 (28% Acc.)

Sign. body strikes
Sandhagen: 10/14 (71% Acc.)
Dillashaw: 10/14 (71% Acc.)

Sign. leg strikes
Sandhagen: 8/9 (89%)
Dillashaw: 41/46 (89%)

Total sign. strikes
Sandhagen: 128/281 (45% Acc.)
Dillashaw: 110/268 (41% Acc.)

Bonus: grappling stats

Spoiler

Control time
Sandhagen --:--
Dillashaw 08:22

Takedowns
Sandhagen: 0/1 (0% Acc.)
Dillashaw: 2/19 (10% Acc.)

Submission attempts
Sandhagen: 1
Dillashaw: 0

Thanks for posting the numbers. I have ads & scripts blocked on my phone so not all of the embedded content shows.

 

[robbie]

Numbers for Round 5
Cory
38 of 83 Total strikes=42 of 87
TJ
40 of 88 Total strikes= 44 0f 92.

You are right. Cory won that round by a "wide margin"

FLUSH vs. GLANCING, so yes the guy who landed flush far more often rather than glancing and was punishing the other guy should be the winner of R5.

 

[MigitAs]

(Disclaimer: though i disagree with TJ winning it, i understand that the fight can be scored 3-2 for either man - personally it feels wrong to me that the guy doing more damage didn't get the nod here, but it's perfectly fine to score it 3-2 for TJ.)


For those that can't see the post for whatever reason:

Sign. head strikes
Sandhagen: 110/258 (43% Acc.)
Dillashaw: 59/208 (28% Acc.)

Sign. body strikes
Sandhagen: 10/14 (71% Acc.)
Dillashaw: 10/14 (71% Acc.)

Sign. leg strikes
Sandhagen: 8/9 (89%)
Dillashaw: 41/46 (89%)

Total sign. strikes
Sandhagen: 128/281 (45% Acc.)
Dillashaw: 110/268 (41% Acc.)

Bonus: grappling stats

Spoiler

Control time
Sandhagen --:--
Dillashaw 08:22

Takedowns
Sandhagen: 0/1 (0% Acc.)
Dillashaw: 2/19 (10% Acc.)

Submission attempts
Sandhagen: 1
Dillashaw: 0

Under EA UFC rules TJ is the clear winner.

 

[JackBlack]

FLUSH vs. GLANCING, so yes the guy who landed flush far more often rather than glancing and was punishing the other guy should be the winner of R5.

The leg strikes TJ landed in the late rounds that forced Corey backwards and stopped his offense were glancing?

 

[Iron Nick]

Strike stats have always been bullshit.

Never trusted them with any combat sport.

They're not bullshit at all imo.

Regardless, who's the lady in your AV?

 

[Iron Nick]

Thanks for posting the numbers. I have ads & scripts blocked on my phone so not all of the embedded content shows.

You're welcome!

 

[BoD 2.0]

Holding someone doing no damage? Points for hugs now.?

Yeah and DC was such a cheerleader for TJ is was pathetic. He actually called wall n Stall a “takedown” at one point. Wtf.

 

[Iron Nick]

Counting TOTAL strike in a fight that is scored round by round is stupidity at its highest level. Give us a round by round breakdown because most boxing judges use this stat to decide who wins the round and MMA judges are boxing judges so please do the right thing

Guess what, i'm fully aware of all these things.

Sandhagen still outstruck TJ in 3 of 5 rounds, smartass.

 

[Iron Nick]

Under EA UFC rules TJ is the clear winner.

Well, it is settled then!

 

[Bend NvR Break]

Yeah like I trust that someone accurately counted all of those strikes live

Don't trust the in fight metrics or the stats that are immediately rushed. But after a few hours and some time passes then yes there are people who literally count strikes. It's their job/hobby.

 

[613]

I get what he is saying though, Sandhagen didn’t ever risk himself to damage TJ, while TJ continually put himself in danger to damage or score on Sandhagen

You shouldn't get rewarded for putting yourself in risk to do damage if you don't land anything doing so.

 

[TITS]

I don't have time to read this whole thread, but it helps if you see the stats per round.

 

[morrisondafalln]

Yeah and DC was such a cheerleader for TJ is was pathetic. He actually called wall n Stall a “takedown” at one point. Wtf.

He tried to day holding someone from behind should be worth a takedown. Its almost like he knew the fix was in. And trying to justifying the fix before it happened.

 

[mikesparrow]

I get what he is saying though, Sandhagen didn’t ever risk himself to damage TJ, while TJ continually put himself in danger to damage or score on Sandhagen

OMG! Read your own quote and think about it... He was the only one receiving the damage.. So, according to your logic... well...

 

[xn7]

Yeah, numbers match what most saw i think, Sandhagen won imo but fought dumb, it is what it is.

round by round judging. look it up sometime.

 

[robbie]

The leg strikes TJ landed in the late rounds that forced Corey backwards and stopped his offense were glancing?

When scoring R5 the only actions that count for scoring purposes need to happen in R5. In other words, what happened in rounds 1 thru 4 are of no consequence. Put together a highlight video of the fight and you will see that the vast majority of quality strikes were made by Cory. TJ disrupted Cory's game plan, but he did not disrupt his offense. He had the two best submission attacks of the fight and he busted up TJ very nicely as a counter-puncher. Cory got the only knock down of the fight, he snapped TJ's head backwards far more often than vice versa. TJ rarely landed flush. Cory landed flush quite often which is WHY TJ has a busted up face. Going forward is not particularly meaningful relative to the many other more important factors in a fight. Ali was one of the best HW boxers of all time and he was not a forward pressure fighter. He used stick and move and counter-punching.

 

[robbie]

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/nsfw-closer-look-at-the-cut-on-tj-dillashaw’s-face.4196805/