Striking numbers for Sandhagen vs Dillashaw

Pancake Sprawl said:
they should count how many times TJ clinched him and held him to the fence and got his back. it would be like 40 to Corey's 0.
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How do people think this is good. You get that back in hopes of getting dude to the ground. If TJ did that 40 times but only has 2 td's that's literally bad. Lol use your brain
 
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Sandhagen landed 18 more significant strikes over 25 mins, but lost the grappling, control, and aggression aspects of the fight.
 
Willy Knuckles said:
How do people think this is good. You get that back in hopes of getting dude to the ground. If TJ did that 40 times but only has 2 td's that's literally bad. Lol use your brain
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maybe you should use your brain. like it or not that's called being controlled, when you're being controlled in the UFC you're losing. you don't like it? watch OneFC. but that's the reality of American MMA and it's BEEN the reality for DECADES.
 
ultramanhyata said:
TJ needed some breaks from getting pieced and busted up. Can't really blame him for all the hugging.
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i don't blame him, but by the UFC standards those hugs are controlling and that's basically winning the fight for him. i blame Sandhagen for allowing himself to be clinched that many times.
 
Pancake Sprawl said:
maybe you should use your brain. like it or not that's called being controlled, when you're being controlled in the UFC you're losing. you don't like it? watch OneFC. but that's the reality of American MMA and it's BEEN the reality for DECADES.
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Control isn't the only factor. So being controlled doesn't automatically mean you're losing. He had control time of 8 mins, that's not even 2 full rounds and averages out to like 1:45 control time per round. Thats over half of each round still left where a TJ wasnt controlling. During that time he was being out struck,damaged and pieced up.
 
robbie said:
When scoring R5 the only actions that count for scoring purposes need to happen in R5. In other words, what happened in rounds 1 thru 4 are of no consequence. Put together a highlight video of the fight and you will see that the vast majority of quality strikes were made by Cory. TJ disrupted Cory's game plan, but he did not disrupt his offense. He had the two best submission attacks of the fight and he busted up TJ very nicely as a counter-puncher. Cory got the only knock down of the fight, he snapped TJ's head backwards far more often than vice versa. TJ rarely landed flush. Cory landed flush quite often which is WHY TJ has a busted up face. Going forward is not particularly meaningful relative to the many other more important factors in a fight. Ali was one of the best HW boxers of all time and he was not a forward pressure fighter. He used stick and move and counter-punching.
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Stop changing the finish lane. First you claimed that Cory won round 5 by a "wide" margin, even though TJ landed more sig strikes and more total strikes.
Next you claimed that TJ's strikes were not impactful only to in this post admit that they "disrupted Cory" and forced him to change his tactics.

Now you are saying none of this matter because TJ rarely landed flush. Hold up....The leg strikes didn't land flush? The leg strikes didn't stop Cory from advancing, disrupt his game plan and force him to fight differently in R3-5 than he fought in R2?

I get it. You think that head strikes should count for more because they look cool. :cool:
That is not how the rules are written. The fact that Cory had no answer to the leg strikes and TJ landed 10 out of 10 heavy kicks in R5 forcing Cory to back up, matters.

However, the judges gave TJ R5 not because he won the striking, but because the striking was close enough that they had to look to octagon control.

Lesson of the day. If the striking numbers of the round are close, knowing that impact is up to interpretation, don't backpaddle the entire fight, allow yourself to get bullied against the cage and constantly give up your back, knowing that "octagon control" is the next criteria.
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HeffDoesWant said:
Completely disagree.

TDD is its own reward, TD attempts are aggression but wouldn't count them as effective if unsuccessful of course.

Same as missed punches.
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Stuffing a takedown is both octagon control and effective grappling. It hits 2 of the 4 scoring criteria, and should absolutely be considered. They actually changed the rules to not consider it anymore - #1 bullshit.
 
AP_RESURRECTION said:
I feel it was 3-2 Sandhagen. It's not that hard for the judges to interpret one of the other rounds for TJ instead, making it 3-2 TJ. One dude gave TJ the fifth round which doesnt make sense, but not at all surprising. I am not sure these guys even watch the fight closely and/or there is gambling pressure we dont hear about (or other non-purist reasons). That judge who gave the 5th to TJ is Sal D, he's a long time judge.
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Yeah I saw his card and first thing I thought is "I wonder who told him to do that" because I figure it's gotta be mob/betting related.

I said all the same things you did. I can understand giving TJ the 3rd and the 1st. Maybe the 4th in a real stretch. If those are the three they gave him I can halfway understand. The 2nd, 5th, and 4th (in that order) were Corey's strongest rounds. D'Amato giving TJ the 5th is what got him that split and that's just crazy talk to me.

No way in hell TJ won that 5th round by eating punches and lunging around ineffectively. I can't understand it except it's probably some shady shit.
 
JackBlack said:
TJ didn't land any shots???
Numbers for Round 5
Cory
38 of 83 Total strikes=42 of 87
TJ
40 of 88 Total strikes= 44 0f 92.
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Firstly, no way. Those numbers are off.

Secondly, how many SIGNIFICANT strikes that did any damage did TJ land during that round? Just about none, right? Corey landed a bunch of them.

Are you suggesting that you think TJ won the 5th round? Because I have to tell you that's a bit nuts, man. It really is. We can debate other rounds but you may as well tell me he also won the 2nd. It's crazy talk.

The only way I can understand TJ winning the 5th is if headbutting fists counts as an attack - it's ridiculous and silly at this point. Maybe offering Corey his body to beat up is really a winning strategy??
 
JackBlack said:
So UFC stats is wrong? Interesting. What are your numbers? Please post your numbers so we can continue this conversation.
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Striking stats are VERY often wrong. But where did you get yours from? Do you have a link as well?

This guy literally TELLS you every strike and shows it on screen so at least you know WHAT he's counting. Most strike counts are not tied to video so you have no real clue what they counted as what. He also categorizes each strike in the 5th (pretty fairly) into light, medium, and hard:

And he's not usually one to use the word robbery when the wrong fighter wins, especially if it's close. In this case he actually used the word robbery because there is no methodology, based on the unified rules of MMA scoring criteria, whereby TJ can be said to have won the striking in the 5th round.

It's not true, and furthermore it wasn't even close. TJ lost that 5th round very convincingly. And by a pretty wide margin.

When I finished watching I was sure that whoever thought TJ won must have given Corey the 2nd and the 5th at least. But then I saw guys agreeing it was 2-2 going into the 5th and saying TJ won the 5th. A friend of mine, a boxer, said the same thing on fight night after the event. I told him he was nuts and we discussed it and he even agreed that he was being influenced by TJ's heart and no quit attitude but he couldn't possibly say TJ outstruck Corey in the 5th.

There is no universe where TJ won the 5th round and no multiverse where he won the striking in the 5th. It just didn't happen.
 
mudrubble said:
I'd have to say he has 1 sub attempt in the same way as TJ has a win over him. In a world of delusion.
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Also in reality. I gave TJ rounds 1 and 3 for sure. I have Sandhagen round 2 and 5.

Round four was a toss up, but TJ controlled sandhagen for 1/3 of the round while kneeing him in the butt, then his leg kicks were the most significant strikes that round by far except for one nice spinning backfist from sandhagen. Also he landed more total strikes than Sandhagen that round and was just working harder.
 
lifelessheap said:
I thought that punching a man in the face while backing up was attacking?! Is missing punches and hugging attacking? LoL

TJ spent 8 minutes hugging. Not striking. Not going for a TD, but just hugging.
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Octogon control ,neutralizing your opponent , imposing your will .
Maybe sandy should think about some wrestling training instead?
 
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