Locked STAR WARS: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER v.2

[Clippy]

There were so many clever ways to take the direction here and he made people waste their time contemplating and discussing fun ideas to provide THIS to us

It's a literal fuck you to anyone who is a fan of this stuff

Any single video made on youtube pondering possible avenues TLJ could have went down pre release

are LITERALLY better than Rain Johnson's secret subversion porn he made for himself

 

[Clippy]

Any single video made on youtube pondering possible avenues TLJ could have went down pre release

are LITERALLY better than Rain Johnson's secret subversion porn he made for himself

Are you talking to yourself right now?

 

[Clippy]

Are you talking to yourself right now?

Yes this movie made me fuckin crazy

 

[Myrddin Wild]

The fact that the first order is even a thing and snoke was allowed to rise to power pretty much makes Vaders sacrifice meaningless.

You're speaking as if 30 years of piece is inconsequential. On top of that... we're only 2/3rds through the story.... & so if the First Order is defeated, then it's still all good.

Even if the First Order wins though... that was 30 years not under the tyranny of psychopaths.

if the first order is a remnant of the GE then how did they remain hidden long enough to build a fucking planet sized star killer without the republic finding out and snuffing it out before it was complete?

Ep. 7 (about 1hr 5 min. or so) just before shooting the weapon & destroying those planets.

"This very moment, in a system far from here... the new Republic lies to the galaxy" - General Hux

They obviously developed the weapons in secret in a different system than the New Republic operates in. The quote indicates that the New Republic is "lying to people outside of their system..." not theirs.

That is enough information for such a specific question... that's in the movie.

If you need more specifics, then canon outside of the movie has an abundance of details. In short... it was in the Unknown Territories. Which is uncharted territory for the New Republic... but is much better charted & known by Snoke who has been operating there for a very long time.

Luke was willing to die in order to save his father, had vader not thrown the emperor down the shaft Luke would have been toast. All of a sudden Kylo was to late to turn?

It was a split second... & Luke saw the people Kylo would kill & the destruction he would cause. It's the same question as to whether you would kill baby Hitler if you had the chance. When you look at what Kylo has done, it makes sense. The idea of the vision is that Luke saw what was going to happen.

Run away never to face him again? WTF is that? It's not Luke Skywalker.

you're over-estimating the bratty little kid who was a self-defeatist from the get go. Who yoda said was too old to train.

I'm not trying to bash Luke, he did some great thingz... but I'm saying that he wasn't this rock that you're trying to make him out to be. He wasn't even close to being a Jedi by any stretch of the imagination in the movies... with his 2 months on Degobah & day with Obi... even though he declared himself to be a Jedi to Jabba. (I always giggle a little bit at that part)

The whole thing with Kylo was confusing to him & resulted in lots of innocents getting killed & even more that Kylo would go on to kill & he blamed himself. He felt like if he had never even gotten involved again that everything would've been better... & so he took himself out of the equation.

I get it that we wanted rockstar Luke... but what we got was human Luke with flaws... & that's okay. It's actually what he has always been made out to be right from the first movie.

Now that said... we're only 2/3rds through the movie... & so who knows how the story unfolds.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

I lead a hard life too

But I'm not about to walk into the UFC and win belts without proper training

You're trolling me buddeh... & I'm getting a bit weary from it. Was your life in danger every day from age 6 to 18? Obviously not... have you ever felt like your life was in danger if you didn't train yourself to fight to the death? Did you grow up in a junk yard with criminals all around you?

Are you elite with any form of combat?

These are rhetorical questions because obviously that was Elite staff fighter Rey's situation... while you grew up in a more civilized society.

She had to learn to fight for her life... & she obviously became elite in staff fighting. This is all right there in the movie.

 

[Clippy]

You're trolling me buddeh... & I'm getting a bit weary from it. Was your life in danger every day from age 6 to 18? Obviously not... have you ever felt like your life was in danger if you didn't train yourself to fight to the death? Did you grow up in a junk yard with criminals all around you?

Are you elite with any form of combat?

These are rhetorical questions because obviously that was Rey's situation, while you grew up in a more civilized society.

Rey was already an elite staff fighter.

Sorry you feel I am trolling bud, I am not

Will walk away from convo now

 

[One MMA Fan]

Would be very interested on hearing this

Reported for that avatar.

 

[One MMA Fan]

I am not cool with Rey being able to use the old jedi mind trick only a few minutes after finding out that she was force sensitive, or her ability to fight competently with Anakin's saber. That is too far of a departure from the established lore and ruins my suspension of disbelief.

She is really powerful a lot more then a normal everyday Jedi. Clearly she is in that elite level Yoda, Palp, Mace, Anakin etc..

Her connection to Kylo from the interrogation scene they mind bonded shared experiences, info, this is how she got the Jedi trick.

Was also a fighter with her staff and she did looked awkward and just trying to defend at first only after she focused she went on the offensive with all them force whispers in her ear vs the injured Kylo in body (bow caster) and in his heart/mind cause he was weakened by the act of killing his father.

 

[toaa]

You're speaking as if 30 years of piece is inconsequential. On top of that... we're only 2/3rds through the story.... & so if the First Order is defeated, then it's still all good.

Even if the First Order wins though... that was 30 years not under the tyranny of psychopaths.

Ep. 7 (about 1hr 5 min. or so) just before shooting the weapon & destroying those planets.

"This very moment, in a system far from here... the new Republic lies to the galaxy" - General Hux

They obviously developed the weapons in secret in a different system than the New Republic operates in. The quote indicates that the New Republic is "lying to people outside of their system..." not theirs.

That is enough information for such a specific question... that's in the movie.

If you need more specifics, then canon outside of the movie has an abundance of details. In short... it was in the Outer Rim. Which is uncharted territory for the New Republic... but is much better charted & known by Snoke who has been operating there for a very long time.


It was a split second... & Luke saw the people Kylo would kill & the destruction he would cause. It's the same question as to whether you would kill baby Hitler if you had the chance. When you look at what Kylo has done, it makes sense. The idea of the vision is that Luke saw what was going to happen.


you're over-estimating the bratty little kid who was a self-defeatist from the get go. Who yoda said was too old to train.

I'm not trying to bash Luke, he did some great thingz... but I'm saying that he wasn't this rock that you're trying to make him out to be. He wasn't even close to being a Jedi by any stretch of the imagination in the movies... with his 2 months on Degobah & day with Obi... even though he declared himself to be a Jedi to Jabba. (I always giggle a little bit at that part)

The whole thing with Kylo was confusing to him & resulted in lots of innocents getting killed & even more that Kylo would go on to kill & he blamed himself. He felt like if he had never even gotten involved again that everything would've been better... & so he took himself out of the equation.

I get it that we wanted rockstar Luke... but what we got was human Luke with flaws... & that's okay. It's actually what he has always been made out to be right from the first movie.

Now that said... we're only 2/3rds through the movie... & so who knows how the story unfolds.

Obi-Wan said in ANH that the Jedi guarded the republic for 1000 generations, I'd say that 30 years of peace after ROTJ means fuck all in comparison. Luke became a Jedi in Return of the Jedi, hence the title, Yoda says it directly in the film as well. Luke was meant to restore the Order, there's no way to reconcile the fact that the new films throw his arc and meaning out the window for Rey to save the day and future.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

So brawling with thugs on a shitty, back-water planet allows Mary Sue Rey to defeat the second most powerful Dark Side user in the Galaxy the first time she picks up a Light Sabre?



MSR beat Emo Ren because that retarded, ugly cunt Kathleen Kennedy wanted a feminist hero at any cost. Narrative logic and dramatic tension be damned: "The Force is female".

Ever hear of the only human that can pod race?

This very young little kid who was highly force sensitive... (though it hadn't awoken in him yet...) taught himself not only how to build his own pod racer... but to become so elite at driving it that he actually won a race after his vehicle was sabotaged.

In that regard... I do not find it far fetched at all to think that Rey... who was living in a planet of criminals... had self taught herself elite skills with the staff.

I also don't find it that hard to believe that her skills with the staff transferred easly over to the sword.

Now the biggest flaw in your logic you are blantantly ignoring is that Kylo was literally telling her he wanted to train her while he was fighting her. Are you ignoring that conveniently or just didn't watch the movie enough times to remember that?

Kylo was also mortally wounded & using most of his force abilities to keep himself alive btw.

 

[One MMA Fan]

MSR beat Emo Ren because that retarded, ugly cunt Kathleen Kennedy wanted a feminist hero at any cost. Narrative logic and dramatic tension be damned: "The Force is female".

You have issues in the way you talk about women.

I have noticed this for some time now to be honest I'm not just reacting to this right now I have observed it before many times and was close to quoting and typing a message, I know it's the internet and anonymity and all that but heads up if you are young (easier to change then older and set on ones ways) maybe do something and improve on that.

Just a friendly heads up.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

It's safe to assume that Obi Wan was helping him in the time between a new hope and empire.

Interestingly, you seem to be trying to hold me to talking about what was shown on the screen while giving yourself the liberty to guess about what happened off of it.

Just so you know though... not even in canon outside the movie did Luke receive any training from obi. Just like he got in the Death Star shot... Obi came in & gave him a quick bit of advice here & there... but it was so infrequent that Luke thought he was imagining it.

Luke focused on flying... & doing missions. he wasn't out there training under Ahsoka Tano... (which would be my fooking dream story)... nope... he did a bit of self training here & there... & so after a couple months of training on Degobah... & a day with Obi... a little bit of self taught stuff, he rolls into Jabba's palace & declares himself a Jedi... (giggle)

Also he grew up on a dessert shit hole like Rey. And him one shotting the death star although a bit far fetched, is explained to some extent given that Luke himself mentions that he can hit womprats with his T16 on Tatooine. Rey, na she can just pick up a light saber and beat a powerful force user no prior training before hand. even an injured Kylo should have wiped the floor with her, even if his intent wasn't to kill her.

You're comparing Luke who has a legit Jedi bodyguard, drinks blue milk & complains about doing fucking chores to Rey who lived by herself in a junk yard & had to either work or die... had to either learn to defend herself or die.

I just wrote a good bit about this to others... so check it out.

Was your life in danger every day from age 6 to 18? Obviously not... have you ever felt like your life was in danger if you didn't train yourself to fight to the death? Did you grow up in a junk yard with criminals all around you?

Are you elite with any form of combat?

These are rhetorical questions because obviously that was Elite staff fighter Rey's situation... while you grew up in a more civilized society.

She had to learn to fight for her life... & she obviously became elite in staff fighting. This is all right there in the movie.

Ever hear of the only human that can pod race?

This very young little kid who was highly force sensitive... (though it hadn't awoken in him yet...) taught himself not only how to build his own pod racer... but to become so elite at driving it that he actually won a race over the champion... after his vehicle was sabotaged.

In that regard... I do not find it far fetched at all to think that Rey... who was living in a planet of criminals... had self taught herself elite skills with the staff.

I also don't find it that hard to believe that her skills with the staff transferred easly over to the sword.

Now the biggest flaw in your logic you are blantantly ignoring is that Kylo was literally telling he he wanted to train her while he was fighting her. Are you ignoring that conveniently or just didn't watch the movie enough times to remember that?

Kylo was also mortally wounded & using most of his force abilities to keep himself alive btw.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Ever hear of the only human that can pod race?

This very young little kid who was highly force sensitive... (though it hadn't awoken in him yet...) taught himself not only how to build his own pod racer... but to become so elite at driving it that he actually won a race after his vehicle was sabotaged.

In that regard... I do not find it far fetched at all to think that Rey... who was living in a planet of criminals... had self taught herself elite skills with the staff.

I also don't find it that hard to believe that her skills with the staff transferred easly over to the sword.

Now the biggest flaw in your logic you are blantantly ignoring is that Kylo was literally telling he he wanted to train her while he was fighting her. Are you ignoring that conveniently or just didn't watch the movie enough times to remember that?

Kylo was also mortally wounded & using most of his force abilities to keep himself alive btw.

- Anakin had raced(and crashed)many times before he actually won the race in PM. Mary Sue Rey could use the Jedi Mind Trick and out-fight Emo Ren with a Light Sabre the first time she tried. Your comparison would only hold up if Anakin had raced and won at his first attempt.

- Skill-sets do not automatically transfer between disciplines. Training in staff fighting doesn't automatically make you a great swordsman, any more than training Olympic Wrestling means you will be a great BJJ player. There is some carry over between the two, but not enough for you to compete at the elite level without refining and expanding your skill base.

- It is canon that Dark Side users draw strength from physical and emotional pain. Emo Ren should actually have been more dangerous because he was wounded. Indeed, you can see him punch the wound himself to draw more power from the Dark Side. Or haven't you watched the movie enough times to notice that?

 

[KnightTemplar]

You have issues in the way you talk about women.

I have noticed this for some time now to be honest I'm not just reacting to this right now I have observed it before many times and was close to quoting and typing a message, I know it's the internet and anonymity and all that but heads up if you are young (easier to change then older and set on ones ways) maybe do something and improve on that.

Just a friendly heads up.

I have issues with women like Kennedy, who decided that it was more important to have a Feminist "hero" than an interesting character who could struggle, grow and thus engage the audience. Her, "The Force is female" t-shirt proves she's more interested in gender politics than the franchise she is supposed to be in charge of. And it's the fans who have paid the price.

And for it's worth, I hate Rian Johnson even more than I hate Kennedy.

 

[deviake]

I still don't understand why they'd show Rey wielding a staff and not have her construct a double bladed lightsaber. Seems like a great setup

 

[One MMA Fan]

I have issues with women like Kennedy, who decided that it was more important to have a Feminist "hero" than an interesting character who could struggle, grow and thus engage the audience. Her, "The Force is female" t-shirt proves she's more interested in gender politics than the franchise she is supposed to be in charge of. And it's the fans who have paid the price.

And for it's worth, I hate Rian Johnson even more than I hate Kennedy.

This time it happened to be KK it doesn't really matter what exact woman I'm just saying I've noticed you talk about them in a way that it doesn't bring you any honor.

I know it's hard to hear this from a random sherdog goof that 'suddenly' decided to call you on it and in public (maybe it would have been better if I PM'ed you in retrospect).. just saying consider it a tad and rethink it before posting it maybe its one of those things that doesn't translate good to a written format and it's less harmful then it appears in here typed.

I'll stop, just telling you what I've been meaning to say for a while cause I enjoy reading your posts in other occasions but sometimes you go overboard on them ladies and it just takes way from the stuff you putting out.

 

[Hitman81]

I'm so annoyed by all this "THE END OF THE SAGA." This is not a saga. You don't get to just call it a saga and we're just supposed to buy it. It's been a boring, disjointed couple of films ranging from mediocre to outright terrible.

 

[One MMA Fan]

I still don't understand why they'd show Rey wielding a staff and not have her construct a double bladed lightsaber. Seems like a great setup

I want her to build a new lightsaber and be a staff of another color green or yellow even.

And I don't consider that evil Rey staff wilder enough to satisfy this want I have.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Anakin had raced(and crashed)many times before he actually won the race in PM. Mary Sue Rey could use the Jedi Mind Trick and out-fight Emo Ren with a Light Sabre the first time she tried. Your comparison would only hold up if Anakin had raced and won at his first attempt.

I disagree. I think Rey had diligently trained to an obvious elite level in the decade leading up to TFA... & the sword was a natural extension of her elite abilities with the staff.

The mind read thing always puzzles me how people don't get that. He opened up a portal between them. She was resisting at first & Kylo was having her way... but as the portal goes both wayz... she just realized that she could read Kylo's mind as well. at that point it's just a matter of looking. After that she understood the ability.

Nobody complained about Luke & Leia communicating below cloud city. They never did that before... but necessity called for it. leia heard Luke & just recognized it was real.

Skill-sets do not automatically transfer between disciplines. Training in staff fighting doesn't automatically make you a great swordsman, any more than training Olympic Wrestling means you will be a great BJJ player. There is some carry over between the two, but not enough for you to compete at the elite level without refining and expanding your skill base.

I think being an ELITE STAFF FIGHTER... certainly qualifies her to be able to pick a light saber up safely & swing it & block with it just as she would do with a staff.

Was that you earlier I said this too?... the main thing you're missing is that KYLO WAS TRYING TO RECRUIT HER. He was literally doing that as their swords crossed. He likely could've just killed her if he wanted to. He did not.

So he wanted her alive... he was also mortally wounded & mentally fucked over pops... & so he was way off his game- as far as to how Rey knocked him down soon after calling upon the force & taking over.

It is canon that Dark Side users draw strength from physical and emotional pain. Emo Ren should actually have been more dangerous because he was wounded. Indeed, you can see him punch the wound himself to draw more power from the Dark Side. Or haven't you watched the movie enough times to notice that?

I suppose I had that bit of condensation coming... but sato masachism has never been the way of the Sith. it's mental pain that drives them.

Kylo hitting himself (as you claim ) had to have been more about his focus on the effort to stay alive than anything else.

In the book it's explained that Kylo's wound would've killed anyone else... & that he was using a tremendous amount of the force just to hold it together while he tried to recruit Rey.

 

[One MMA Fan]

I'm so annoyed by all this "THE END OF THE SAGA." this is not a saga. You don't get to just call it and saga and we're just supposed to buy it. It's been a boring, disjointed couple of films ranging from mediocre to outright terrible.

Yea overall all this 3 trilogies weren't planned from the get go but they make them work more or less in terms of 'saga-ness' lol.

The thing is the marketing department is pushing the angle of saga and ending and all that like crazy and have instructed everyone on leading the charge with that so yea that is a big part of it.

Palp is back he was a important in 2 of the trilogies so here he shows up in the 3rd from that point it does make sense and mages it the saga with Luke and Palp an others OT characters involvement.