STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

[Peteyandjia]

I'll laugh when you come back and agree that TLJ > TFA.

There's a good chance I will never see TLJ. I can't think of a good reason to.

 

[Peteyandjia]

Jedi and Sith absolutely suck at catching people.

How many scenes throughout the series have we seen where one comes super close to the capture, only to end up standing there watching their quarry escape?

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Also, as good as Poe is as a pilot, there is no doubt he is Force sensitive.

There's a bigger chance it'll be revealed in Ep9 that he's gay.

These movies aren't very deep. They're not even kiddie pools, more like kitchen sinks of substance. Between Ep7&8, Poe is the only X-Wing fighter doing anything impressive, and that's his lone asset of his character.

After the "Keep my jacket, it looks good on you," line from Ep7, I rejected stupid internet speculation he's going to be Disney's first gay Star Wars character, but after all the SJW themes shoved into Ep8, its only a matter of time before they say somebody's gay. Poe is the odds-on favorite to have that 'honor.'

 

[Guestx]

There's a good chance I will never see TLJ. I can't think of a good reason to.

Because you've seen every other Star Wars movie and, if nothing else, you're curious about how this one turned out.

 

[Peteyandjia]

I remember thinking The Doctor was much better. I thought Regarding Henry was incredibly sappy; The Doctor was a lot more realistic, and hit a lot closer to home.

Never seen't it. I'll have to check it out.

Regarding Henry gives me feels. It's definitely sappy, but there are some powerful scenes, and prime Harrison Ford in full oozing humanity mode really sells it.

The scene near the beginning with him & a young unknown John Leguizamo always gives me chills

 

[Peteyandjia]

Because you've seen every other Star Wars movie and, if nothing else, you're curious about how this one turned out.

If I lived in a vacuum this would have definitely worked, and it's how I felt leading up to TLJ, but hearing all of the horrible reviews from people I trust - from e-buds to Mark Hamill himself - tells me all I need to know. Plus, again, I hated TFA so fuck all those characters anyway.

 

[Guestx]

having rewatched the prequels yesterday, I find them all better than TLJ.

Prequels are definitely underrated and the more I think about it the more I kind of wish Lucas was still in control.

Still in control but actually making movies, that is. That's the problem, after Ep 3 he didn't make anymore movies. He funneled all his attention into the animated shows.

 

[Guestx]

If I lived in a vacuum this would have definitely worked, and it's how I felt leading up to TLJ, but hearing all of the horrible reviews from people I trust - from e-buds to Mark Hamill himself - tells me all I need to know. Plus, again, I hated TFA so fuck all those characters anyway.

So after nine movies you are just going to hop off the Star Wars train and you're going to do it because of some stuff you HEARD about a movie, rather than watching the film and assessing it for yourself?

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

Never seen't it. I'll have to check it out.

Regarding Henry gives me feels. It's definitely sappy, but there are some powerful scenes, and prime Harrison Ford in full oozing humanity mode really sells it.

The scene near the beginning with him & a young unknown John Leguizamo always gives me chills

I always liked the spilled orange juice scene

 

[ufcfan4]

There's a good chance I will never see TLJ. I can't think of a good reason to.

I can give you one good reason:

So you can post hilarious comments and insights into it on this forum for entertainment.

 

[Peteyandjia]

So after nine movies you are just going to hop off the Star Wars train and you're going to do it because of some stuff you HEARD about a movie, instead of watching the film and assessing it for yourself?

Don't say 'after nine movies' like it's all really tied together in some grand vision. The original trilogy kinda stands on its own as one thing, & everything after is trying to glom onto it. I thought the prequel trilogy was about 87% worthless, and the first one of this new trilogy was pretty soulless & shitty.

So it's not like I'm leaving the franchise feeling dissatisfied, I mean I got over that back when the prequels sucked. I'm fine loving the original trilogy for what it is, and will revisit that from time to time, I don't need to suck down every shitty offering they put out just to try and separate me from my money. TFA was crap, and everyone who agrees with that is saying this one is just as bad or worse. Fool me once kinda thing. How many times am I supposed to be a sucker for this shit.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

And the cristism of Finn just being a sanitation worker is misplaced. Yes he was, when he was stationed on the Star Killer Base. He obviously had training to become a Storm Trooper as it would be silly to go straight from cleaning Imperial shit houses to being a trooper on a mission.

This movie is so much better than TLJ.

 

[ufcfan4]

Prequels are definitely underrated and the more I think about it the more I kind of wish Lucas was still in control.

Still in control but actually making movies, that is. That's the problem, after Ep 3 he didn't make anymore movies. He funneled all his attention into the animated shows.

I feel like Lucas’ vision and ideas coupled with handing the reigns over to a different director/screenwriter who is more actor and character sensitive would have been ideal.

Then again Spielberg did say Lucas came up with the idea for Kingdom of the Crystal Skull...

 

[Guestx]

Don't say 'after nine movies' like it's all really tied together in some grand vision. The original trilogy kinda stands on its own as one thing, & everything after is trying to glom onto it. I thought the prequel trilogy was about 87% worthless, and the first one of this new trilogy was pretty soulless & shitty.

So it's not like I'm leaving the franchise feeling dissatisfied, I mean I got over that back when the prequels sucked. I'm fine loving the original trilogy for what it is, and will revisit that from time to time, I don't need to suck down every shitty offering they put out just to try and separate me from my money. TFA was crap, and everyone who agrees with that is saying this one is just as bad or worse. Fool me once kinda thing. How many times am I supposed to be a sucker for this shit.

Well if you didn't like the prequels, then okay, you should've gotten off long ago.

 

[Peteyandjia]

I can give you one good reason:

So you can post hilarious comments and insights into it on this forum for entertainment.

At some point the joke is on me if I keep showing up to watch more of this crap. Same as if I kept coming back to the Resident Evil movies or something. At that point I might as well start cutting myself.

 

[Peteyandjia]

okay, you should've gotten off long ago.

That's what she said.

 

[Loiosh]

I feel like Lucas’ vision and ideas coupled with handing the reigns over to a different director/screenwriter who is more actor and character sensitive would have been ideal.

Then again Spielberg did say Lucas came up with the idea for Kingdom of the Crystal Skull...

I really wanted the Coen Brothers to do a Star Wars trilogy.

I'm not even joking.

 

[Peteyandjia]

I really wanted the Coen Brothers to do a Star Wars trilogy.

I'm not even joking.

David Lynch was offered Return Of The Jedi & turned it down, so anything's possible.

There is some funky stuff happening in an alternate universe somewhere.

 

[Guestx]

That's what she said.

I would like to impart a quote though, something I read on another forum. Some guys were talking about how when the prequels came out they seemed to be bastions for George's "excesses."

Here was one poster's response:

Now such "excesses" look more like quirks or arabesque hints of a man ahead of his time. Intimations of personality and creativity perhaps less detectable in the new crop of movies from a big corporation that have suddenly been met (for the most part) with roaring acclaim. But hey, hang on, this grey-haired, bearded, round-spectacled, flannel-shirt-loving fellow... maybe his movies are actually a touch artistic??!!

People are kind of allowing themselves to enjoy the prequels and explore or release a latent fondness for them; and letting formerly suppressed feelings float more freely to the surface. Jar Jar. Was he really so bad? Anakin. Maybe he really does have a well-defined character and background! Padme. Dignified and sadly compelling. Qui-Gon. A Jedi badass. The planets, the ships, the action scenes. Imagination station! The political storyline? OMG... There actually *is* one!

For the first time ever, I think some people are now beginning to see the prequels in all their Technicolor glory.

 

[Guestx]

I feel like Lucas’ vision and ideas coupled with handing the reigns over to a different director/screenwriter who is more actor and character sensitive would have been ideal.

Then again Spielberg did say Lucas came up with the idea for Kingdom of the Crystal Skull...

That's the thing about Lucas, you just don't know what you're going to get from him.

Is he going to give us Jar Jar or Darth Maul? Phantom Menace or Revenge of the Sith?

I think that when he's doing his best work, it's pretty damn good work. When he's not, well, there are missteps and sometimes those missteps are very problematic.

As I said earlier in the thread though, I'd at least like to SEE what George's new Star Wars movies would be like. Would they be superior films to what Disney is giving us? I don't know. But I feel this need to find out.