STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

[vcmmafan]

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[Bob Gray]

Apparently if you make strong female characters, you have an agenda.

If you have strong male characters, you're just making a movie.

Meh. They obviously had an agenda, imo. But thats not why things didnt work. Its just one part of a recipe. Like making brownies. The agenda was like the vanilla extract.

I had seen that tweet; FYI, Poe was a traitor and a mutineer.

Traitor? I dunno bout that. He wasnt like giving away secrets to the enemy or anything. Mutineer? Honestly, from his perspective it was a completely shit plan. If your superior is making decisions that will needlessly kill people it is sort of your duty to intervene, there was no reason to keep him in the dark about it. But I chalk that up to just a gaping plot hole rather than anything to do with genitals.

 

[liljoe]

It's apparently silly "fan service" for people wanting to see Luke Skywalker actually use his light saber once in a Star Wars movie.

I mean, TFA literally ends with Rey handing Luke his light saber, ffs.
Lol Again...wanting to see the MASTER JEDI wield THE tool of a jedi is somehow crazy fan service.
Ok then.

A Light saber is meaningless next to the Force. That's why Yoda didn't so much as mention it when training Luke.

 

[bosox32]

I heard that during this entire film there was not a single light saber to light saber contact.

I mean what the fuck.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

A Light saber is meaningless next to the Force. That's why Yoda didn't so much as mention it when training Luke.

And Luke used the Force once to project himself. ...and then die.


Lol and let's be real here, light sabers have always been a part of SWs and jedi. The movie went through all the trouble to give the red knights light daggers, and light whips, and light nunchakus, so it wasn't like it was trying to steer us away from these weapons.
It's absurd that you don't have Luke use his weapon in a SW movie.

 

[Loiosh]

Mutineer? Honestly, from his perspective it was a completely shit plan. If your superior is making decisions that will needlessly kill people it is sort of your duty to intervene, there was no reason to keep him in the dark about it. But I chalk that up to just a gaping plot hole rather than anything to do with genitals.

He literally led a mutiny.

It is not your duty to disobey orders you do not understand or agree with. He had been broken down to captain, there's no reason the leader of the resistance would be obligated to share her plans with a captain. I agree it was fucking stupid for her to keep her plans a secret, but that doesn't excuse his actions. We're just used to the hotheaded hero going off and doing his own thing and being right, it doesn't feel the same when he's wrong.

 

[Lavitz]

I heard that during this entire film there was not a single light saber to light saber contact.

I mean what the fuck.

Had a pretty sweet stick fight though.
And balloons too. They float.

 

[Bob Gray]

What was it Yoda said?

"The student will always surpass the master?"

Something like that? And Luke surpassed basically nobody. So when did Luke surpass Yoda? Or Kenobi? Dude basically force projected himself once and died from it.

Seriously. He didnt even surpass Ahsoka Tano.

 

[Loiosh]

A Light saber is meaningless next to the Force. That's why Yoda didn't so much as mention it when training Luke.

I don't know about meaningless.

Sidious cut down four Jedi Masters in a few seconds with one.

 

[Bob Gray]

He literally led a mutiny.

It is not your duty to disobey orders you do not understand or agree with. He had been broken down to captain, there's no reason the leader of the resistance would be obligated to share her plans with a captain. I agree it was fucking stupid for her to keep her plans a secret, but that doesn't excuse his actions. We're just used to the hotheaded hero going off and doing his own thing and being right, it doesn't feel the same when he's wrong.

Without having actually served in the military, I'd say it depends on what the orders and plan are. You can lead a mutiny against your superiors ordering you to napalm a village of Vietnamese children, but I doubt many people would criticize you for it.

 

[Bob Gray]

I heard that during this entire film there was not a single light saber to light saber contact.

I mean what the fuck.

Didnt realize that. I think its accurate. Probably another one of those "I'm too clever" gimmicks from Johnson.

It's amazing that two weeks ago I was gay for Johnson and wanted him to make 15 Star Wars movies. Granted, I need to rewatch and review the movie since I kinda feel like wallowing in the negativity is jading me a bit.

 

[Guestx]

What was it Yoda said?

"The student will always surpass the master?"

Something like that? And Luke surpassed basically nobody. So when did Luke surpass Yoda? Or Kenobi? Dude basically force projected himself once and died from it.

Seriously. He didnt even surpass Ahsoka Tano.

If you pay attention, you'll notice that Luke never actually wins any major battle in any film.

He got fucked up by Anakin in Empire and then would've been killed in Jedi if not saved by his dad.

He does punk Kylo . . . but at the cost of his life.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Meh. They obviously had an agenda, imo. But thats not why things didnt work. Its just one part of a recipe. Like making brownies. The agenda was like the vanilla extract.



Traitor? I dunno bout that. He wasnt like giving away secrets to the enemy or anything. Mutineer? Honestly, from his perspective it was a completely shit plan. If your superior is making decisions that will needlessly kill people it is sort of your duty to intervene, there was no reason to keep him in the dark about it. But I chalk that up to just a gaping plot hole rather than anything to do with genitals.

The defense of Holdo withholding the plan also doesn't hold up either.
People were saying "Poe has to respect the chain of command"
They're rebels. They do have a command structure, but they aren't some typical army. The "shut up and follow orders" style makes sense for the First Order/Storm Troopers, but for a group led by Leia? No. And whose idea would it have been for Poe to fly his ship solo to meet the dreadnought? It's crazy plans and thinking that kept them in the fight against the stronger, better equipped force.

 

[Guestx]

. . . since I kinda feel like wallowing in the negativity is jading me a bit.

This.

Just dealing with all the negativity surrounding the film is pissing me off and making me a cynical person.

 

[Lavitz]

What was it Yoda said?

"The student will always surpass the master?"

Something like that? And Luke surpassed basically nobody. So when did Luke surpass Yoda? Or Kenobi? Dude basically force projected himself once and died from it.

Seriously. He didnt even surpass Ahsoka Tano.

Can't tell if you're joking. Luke far surpassed Obi-Wan and most of the council.

He's up there with Yoda, Windu, and Rots Sidious.

Too bad TFA or TLJ gave him nothing to work with.

 

[Peteyandjia]

You can lead a mutiny against your superiors ordering you to napalm a village of Vietnamese children, but you can't make them drink.

*fixed

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

I'm rewatching The Force Awakens and holy shit this is so much better than The Last Jedi.

 

[Loiosh]

I'm rewatching The Force Awakens and holy shit this is so much better than The Last Jedi.

Most definitely.

Not close.

 

[Bob Gray]

Can't tell if you're joking. Luke far surpassed Obi-Wan and most of the council.

He's up there with Yoda, Windu, and Rots Sidious.

Too bad TFA or TLJ gave him nothing to work with.

Yeah, in the expanded universe (now Legends universe), he did. In the canonical movies he did jack shit and didnt do anything on the level of the force users I mention, except the whole project himself to death thing. But I see that bet, and I raise it with Darth Vader doing this:





And Ahsoka doing this:




All of which is canon.

Luke died to give the rebels a 2 minute head start.

Ok, "jack shit" might be a bit hyperbolic. But still, the point stands.

 

[Amerikuracana]

Most definitely.

Not close.

Naw it's close. Non... Caring.. of the plot as it relates to lore.. People.. like kids and some adults.. Think this one is much better. They aren't "stupid."