So a prime DC vs prime Fedor. Who wins?

NoSmilez said:
Fedor in his prime was not going to throw someone like big foot or even Hong Man Choi around. Fedor in his prime wasn't going to stop Lindland's takedowns without using the ropes.
I hate these generational comparisons. DC is from a later generation of MMA fighters. He came out of a sucessful AKA program that produced several fighters already.
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DC is from cage / american version era, and he is well suited for that, and unified rules and cage are tailored for such fighters. But he is not that good in the ring and RINGS or PRIDE rules. He and Jones would lose fights in Japan with no elbows, no wire fence,
for continous wrestling for long time, with judging criteria that breaks clinches much sooner and values submission attempts a lot more than wrestling controll. They would be nowhere that good as in USA.
Jones would get KOd in the small square ring with 4 corners, with no space to do his usuall striking defence which consists of backing in big space and arms pushing & stretching to create distance.

If DC fought in RINGS organization with no wire fence, no elbows, no ground and pound to the head, no scoring for wrestling controll, he would lose badly just like Couture did in Japan to judokas, sambo guys and BJJs who have better and more active submission game.

In PRIDE or RINGS Cormier loses to Fedor.
 
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I would pick Fedor but I don't think it would be a lock or anything 65/45 in favor of Fedor. He's more well rounded and since were talking Prime vs Prime his grappling will be a problem for DC as well as his speed and better striking and sub game.

DC has better wrestling and the clinch game would be close but Fedor is better everywhere else and has the speed and cardio edge.
 
NoSmilez said:
Fedor in his prime was not going to throw someone like big foot or even Hong Man Choi around. Fedor in his prime wasn't going to stop Lindland's takedowns without using the ropes.
I hate these generational comparisons. DC is from a later generation of MMA fighters. He came out of a sucessful AKA program that produced several fighters already.
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Fedor's generation of HWs were more well rounded than DC's generation of HWs. Sergei K would have gone to the Olympics for boxing in 2000 had he not gotten injured and could have still gone to the Olympics for boxing in 2004 but chose to do the HWGP instead and he was able to hang on the ground with Werdum for long periods of time. Then you had Cro Cop who was outstriking almost everyone who beat one of the best ground fighters in Pride, Barnett 3 times. Big Nog also had very solid boxing for being a BJJ specialist.

HWs are not that well rounded now a days.
 
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DC can't even beat Jones what's wrong with you Shertards? Prime Fedor all day. Fast Strong as a Tank Combat Sambo for days better Striking. You people are confusing KettleBell Fedor with Bald out of Prime Fedor.
 
Honestly its a hard fight to call because we've never really see DC deal with a high level sub grappler on the ground.
 
moreorless87 said:
Honestly its a hard fight to call because we've never really see DC deal with a high level sub grappler on the ground.
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You're post reminds me of people saying Cain would have no problem with Werdum. I thought that was funny cause he had never really had to grapple with a high level submission grappler ever before.
 
NoBiasJustMMA said:
You're post reminds me of people saying Cain would have no problem with Werdum. I thought that was funny cause he had never really had to grapple with a high level submission grappler ever before.
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Indeed, I think there's very often an underestimation of the threat of fighters with a sub game from their backs simply because its so rare in MMA today.
 
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moreorless87 said:
Indeed, I think there's very often an underestimation of the threat of fighters with a sub game from their backs simply because its so rare in MMA today.
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It's almost nonexistent at HW in recent years. Pride had Big Nog, Werdum, Fedor and Barnett who were all very dangerous off their backs.
 
NoBiasJustMMA said:
It's almost nonexistent at HW in recent years. Pride had Big Nog, Werdum, Fedor and Barnett who were all very dangerous off their backs.
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EVen Werdum in recent years isn't nearly as much a threat from his back as he's lost speed/agility, the same with fighters like Maia and Jacare.

DC did fight Barnett but Josh was always much more of a top game fighter although he did threaten with a heel hook if I remember correctly.
 
moreorless87 said:
EVen Werdum in recent years isn't nearly as much a threat from his back as he's lost speed/agility, the same with fighters like Maia and Jacare.
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And Big Nog post Bob Sapp, he had a dramatic decline in athletic ability after that fight.
 
WOLVERINEKILLS said:
Fedor ruled a much better heavyweight division than what UFC has today. His submissions were explosive - if ge arm barred Coleman & Randleman I think he gets DC as well.

I do believe it would be a close fight and that DC is probably the 2nd best heavyweight of all time.
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I don’t quite understand that logic. DC has much better sub defense than Coleman or Randleman.

I totally agree with you on your second point though. Very close fight between the 2 goat heavyweights.
 
MileHigher said:
I don’t quite understand that logic. DC has much better sub defense than Coleman or Randleman.

I totally agree with you on your second point though. Very close fight between the 2 goat heavyweights.
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Much better than Randleman I agree with, Coleman though was only legitimately submitted by Fedor and Big Nog(before he was old as hell and had a fake hip) who are 2 of the best HWs ever off their backs and DC hasn't really ever been on the ground with someone like that in his whole career.

I agree with you both in that it would be a close fight though.
 
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