Should defense be scored?

[GaryEric]

yes it should and it was originally part of the scoring criteria, I don't know why they removed it.

when?

 

[DatSamboKid]

I always thought defending a takedown should be worth more than a takedown attempt. I’ve seen countless fights where fighter A spends the entire fight trying to take fighter B down without much success and wins the fight because he was "more active".

 

[johnmangala]

Pauli lost, because he broke his hand.
Floyd isn't scoring massive points by dodging, but landing more than his opponent due to that.

So TS doesn't get BKFC nor boxing, so why are we talking about it?

When did I say he did. That's you projecting.

All I said was he scores points for defense. Which is true.

Paulie did lose because the rules that's what he said post fight.

 

[beroisimo**]

Hell no! All it would do is encourage fighters to avoid engaging.

This is an awfullllll idea.

 

[FIghtxIQ]

Defense isn’t scored in MMA but it is in boxing. Floyd is undefeated because he scores so many points dodging punches. If you remember Paulie tried to box defensively against Artem in BKF but lost because the rules don’t score defense only aggression.

Should defense be scored in your opinion?

Defense by it itself isn't scored, it's because Floyd dodges/blocks most punches and he scores more cleaner punches. Paulie wasn't active enough after he broke his hand. You can't win on defense alone.

 

[SakurabasEar]

Yes and also No, so Yes

 

[johnmangala]

Defense by it itself isn't scored, it's because Floyd dodges/blocks most punches and he scores more cleaner punches. Paulie wasn't active enough after he broke his hand. You can't win on defense alone.

It is. Willie Pep once won a round without even throwing a punch. Just on defense alone.

 

[savemgs]

It's not the same thing. What he means is that effective defense would also be scored. Imagine a round where neither fights lands anything at all, if you score defense you would have to give the round to the guy who parried or slipped more.

If neither fights lands anything at all they should not be in fighting.

 

[Morning Star]

I don't think avoiding strikes should be scored, but I consider stuffing a takedown a win for the defender and usually will consider that. Especially if done easily or multiple times in a round.

 

[smiles mma]

yes it should and it was originally part of the scoring criteria, I don't know why they removed it.

no it wasn't, and shouldn't be. taking credit for your opponent's efforts. if they want credit for being defense they need to use those defensive skills and starting countering (counter strike/scramble a takedown and end up on top/ reverse a sub/ ect)

 

[FIghtxIQ]

It is. Willie Pep once won a round without even throwing a punch. Just on defense alone.

If he didn't really get hit at all then I can see that happening because it shows he is in total control even without throwing a punch. The attacking fighter has to be effective as well, if he's obviously being schooled then the fighter just attacking isn't enough.

 

[Mike]

Defense needs a lot more weight. Stuffing 13 takedowns is more impressive than them landing 1 with 3 seconds left trying to 'steal the round'.

Says who? Defending from being put in a bad position is just that. Offense should be worth more than defense.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

No way

you get rewarded for hitting via scoring
your reward for good defense is not getting hit

the system is built in

and your also asking to include another set of judges to keep track of defense If ur adding judge, Id much rather have a 2nd set of judges act as confirmation for results or to that effect so we don't have so many blown calls

 

[Danespina]

Defense needs a lot more weight. Stuffing 13 takedowns is more impressive than them landing 1 with 3 seconds left trying to 'steal the round'.

In that case I'd see...

OPPONENT A: 13 takedown attempts, 1 takedown.
OPPONENT B: 0 takedown attempts, 0 takedowns.

Therefore Opponent A wins 10-9.
At least he's trying to be offensive.

 

[Max Power]

Fights are often boring enough as is.

 

[NGute87]

It is scored.
It keeps you from getting less than 9 points in a round.

 

[FutureBwChamp]

Defense isn’t scored in MMA but it is in boxing. Floyd is undefeated because he scores so many points dodging punches. If you remember Paulie tried to box defensively against Artem in BKF but lost because the rules don’t score defense only aggression.

Should defense be scored in your opinion?

Should a sac add points to the football game??? No I remember Rogan talking about this in a fight. A commentator was talking about how getting out of a submission should count for points and he goes yeah but you're only getting out of that submission because the other person was trying to strangle you

 

[dipstickjimmy]

"Rule 3.31 says Points will be awarded:

• For “attack” – direct clean hits with the knuckle part of the glove of either hand to any part of the front or side of the head or body above the belt.
  
• The “belt” is defined as an imaginary line drawn across the body from the top of the hip bones.
  
• For “defence” – guarding, slipping, ducking or getting away from an attack. Where contestants are otherwise equal the majority of points will be given to the one who does most leading off or displays the better style."

Source

so the answer is no? Sounds like its a tie breaker if all else is equal. I hit you 10 times and you hit me 10 times but all of my shots were counters where I slip and hit you with a counter hook but yours are 10 jabs.

That's not scoring points for defence.

 

[Fahcough]

In that case I'd see...

OPPONENT A: 13 takedown attempts, 1 takedown.
OPPONENT B: 0 takedown attempts, 0 takedowns.

Therefore Opponent A wins 10-9.
At least he's trying to be offensive.

Generic statements lol. I'm giving him the edge in effective striking. The TDs are just weighed too much for no damage.

 

[Fahcough]

Can the ref takes points for flopping under the unified rules? I know they could under pride rules, but I'm not sure they can under unified rules, I think it is up to the judges.

Yes. Maia is a king of point deduction for laying on ground being told to get up.