Should defense be scored?

[johnmangala]

so the answer is no? Sounds like its a tie breaker if all else is equal. I hit you 10 times and you hit me 10 times but all of my shots were counters where I slip and hit you with a counter hook but yours are 10 jabs.

That's not scoring points for defence.

Where did you get that from? They score defense.

Willie Pep won a round without even throwing a punch, won just by defense.

 

[Dorkman]

No, but it should nullify aggression. A fighter shouldn't be given a nod on aggression if his opponent stifles every thing he does. That's just an even fight at that point and neither is really winning. Like for instance. Guy gets td, but can't posture, mount any strikes, and spends his time not doing anything due to threat of submission, and sound positional defense before a stand up. Fighter with the TD shouldn't be seen as winning the round. Too many rounds like that go to a stymied top position grappler who didn't do anything when in reality the round should likely be a 10-10 due to the sound defense preventing any offense from the takedown. But just this guys opinion, and likely will never be judged this way as just trying to get consistent judging with the current rules mindset is near impossible. No knees to a downed opponent(or fighter trying to complete a double being sprawled on), and being able to hold guys in against a fence already favors wrestlers enough. Plus if they could knee downed opponents, that actually gives wrestlers a great reason to push for passing to side control/half mount, and north south to actually have a great damaging tool to finish and push fights with. But pipe dream unfortunately

 

[dipstickjimmy]

Where did you get that from? They score defense.

Willie Pep won a round without even throwing a punch, won just by defense.

When did that happen? This century? Is it common? What were the circumstances? Was he hit 100 times that round or was it even? Give me 10 examples and not a single anomaly.

 

[johnmangala]

When did that happen? This century? Is it common? What were the circumstances? Was he hit 100 times that round or was it even? Give me 10 examples and not a single anomaly.

It doesn't matter. The point is that defense is scored.

 

[kuroro]

In that case can judges finally learn the difference between a guy throwing strikes to damage and finish the fight and a guy point fighting his way to not losing?

omg that would be like heaven

 

[Sweater of AV]

Yes and they should also introduce penalties for stalling. Judges will also have to become much more competent.

 

[LoadedZeus]

Defense isn’t scored in MMA but it is in boxing. Floyd is undefeated because he scores so many points dodging punches. If you remember Paulie tried to box defensively against Artem in BKF but lost because the rules don’t score defense only aggression.

Should defense be scored in your opinion?

Mayweather doesn't just score points by dodging punches. A ridiculous thing to say, no offence but you dont sound like you know much about scoring in general. Mayweather will make his opponent throw strikes throughout the round and dodges them with ease. On the flipside, he waits for perfect opportunity to land strikes, no matter how strong, he scores points by outstriking his opponents. By the end of the round, his opponent lands around 20% while mayweather probably lands 60% of his strikes.

 

[johnmangala]

Mayweather doesn't just score points by dodging punches. A ridiculous thing to say, no offence but you dont sound like you know much about scoring in general. Mayweather will make his opponent throw strikes throughout the round and dodges them with ease. On the flipside, he waits for perfect opportunity to land strikes, no matter how strong, he scores points by outstriking his opponents. By the end of the round, his opponent lands around 20% while mayweather probably lands 60% of his strikes.

I never said that Mayweather doesn’t score points from outstriking his opponent, I just said he scores points for defense which he does.

 

[TheDredator]

If the defense is offense

 

[Sean Ryan]

Defense isn’t scored in MMA but it is in boxing. Floyd is undefeated because he scores so many points dodging punches. If you remember Paulie tried to box defensively against Artem in BKF but lost because the rules don’t score defense only aggression.

Should defense be scored in your opinion?

Mayweather still had to land punches to win FFS. He made his opponents miss wildly and then landed a straight right and got the fuck outta there. He had great timing so he would really catch fighters coming in. Malignaggi and Lobov is a different sport.

 

[johnmangala]

Mayweather still had to land punches to win FFS. He made his opponents miss wildly and then landed a straight right and got the fuck outta there. He had great timing so he would really catch fighters coming in. Malignaggi and Lobov is a different sport.

I’m not saying he didn’t score points outstriking his opponent. You’re not the first person to bring this up.

I just said he scores points for defense which he does.

 

[JustOnce]

Defense isn’t scored in MMA but it is in boxing. Floyd is undefeated because he scores so many points dodging punches. If you remember Paulie tried to box defensively against Artem in BKF but lost because the rules don’t score defense only aggression.

Should defense be scored in your opinion?

No. What other sports score defense? none.

 

[Krimzon]

Mayweather once beat Pacquiao for making Pacquiao miss punches, no offense needed

 

[johnmangala]

No. What other sports score defense? none.

Boxing does. It doesn’t matter if ball and stick sports don’t do it. Only combat sports are relevant.

 

[DagOban**]

Defense should not be scored, it prevents your opponent's offense from getting scored.

- preventing your opponent from getting 1 point is the same as getting 1 point yourself

- in fact, if you would get a point for defense, you'd actually get 2 : 1 point for your defense, -1 point to your opponent (the point he did not get from attacking)

 

[Sean Ryan]

I’m not saying he didn’t score points outstriking his opponent. You’re not the first person to bring this up.

I just said he scores points for defense which he does.

I’m not saying he didn’t score points outstriking his opponent. You’re not the first person to bring this up.

I just said he scores points for defense which he does.

Yes after you factor in

• Clean punching (power versus quantity).
• Effective aggressiveness.
• Ring generalship.

Then and only then will defense count in scoring. Your example of Malignaggi is a different sport. However if that was boxing, I could see it given to Lobov as well. Given how different judges work.

 

[JustOnce]

Boxing does. It doesn’t matter if ball and stick sports don’t do it. Only combat sports are relevant.

No it doesn't wtf you talking about.

 

[johnmangala]

No it doesn't wtf you talking about.

Yes it is. Actually you have no idea what you’re talking about.

"Rule 3.31 says Points will be awarded:

• For “attack” – direct clean hits with the knuckle part of the glove of either hand to any part of the front or side of the head or body above the belt.
  
• The “belt” is defined as an imaginary line drawn across the body from the top of the hip bones.
  
• For “defence” – guarding, slipping, ducking or getting away from an attack. Where contestants are otherwise equal the majority of points will be given to the one who does most leading off or displays the better style."

Source

 

[johnmangala]

Yes after you factor in

• Clean punching (power versus quantity).
• Effective aggressiveness.
• Ring generalship.

Then and only then will defense count in scoring. Your example of Malignaggi is a different sport. However if that was boxing, I could see it given to Lobov as well. Given how different judges work.

You’re thinking of MMA.

In boxing defense is weighted heavily. How did Willie Pep win a round without throwing a punch if defense isn’t scored that heavy.

 

[BangBang]

Isn’t it, already? Hitting your opponent more then they hit you is essentially the same thing.

Came here to post this.