Social Scientists reject veganism: Meat is crucial for human health

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Sugar; you cut out refined sugar completely and you can eat a baby cow wrapped in bacon stuffed with king crab daily.

 

[Jar of Flies]

I get all my sustenance from sunlight. Just like our ancestors.

 

[Spetsnaz77]

Meds. Now.

Cutting out vegetables fruits grains alleviates the need. Inflammatory. Unnecessary. Proper meat... Eggs... Couple other things... Presto = high quality life

 

[CyberRubberDuck]

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/29/vegan-diet-meat-scientists-british-beef-livestock-farming/

Meat is crucial for human health, scientists have warned, as they called for an end to the “zealotry” pushing vegetarian and vegan diets.

Dozens of experts were asked to look into the science behind claims that meat eating causes disease and is harmful for the planet in a special issue of Animal Frontiers.

They warned that it is difficult to replace the nutritional content of meat, arguing that poorer communities with low meat intake often suffer from stunting, wasting and anaemia driven by a lack of vital nutrients and protein.

In recent years, there has been a widespread societal push towards plant-based diets, with schemes such as Veganuary and meat-free Mondays encouraging the public away from meat.

The major Global Burden of Diseases, Injuries and Risk Factor Study, published in The Lancet in 2020, also suggested that a diet high in red meat was responsible for 896,000 deaths worldwide, and was the fifth leading dietary risk factor.

But researchers argue that unprocessed meat delivers most of the vitamin B12 intake in human diets, plays a major role in supplying retinol, omega-3 fatty acids and minerals such as iron and zinc, as well as important compounds for metabolism, such as taurine and creatine.

‘Fatally scientifically flawed’
In one paper published in the issue, experts found no good evidence to support red meat being dangerous below intakes of 75g per day, and argued that the link between red meat and disease vanished when part of a healthy diet, suggesting it was the rest of the diet that was fuelling health problems.

Dr Alice Stanton, of the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland, one of the authors of the review, said: “The peer-reviewed evidence published reaffirms that [the 2019 Global Burden of Disease Risk Factors Report] which claimed that consumption of even tiny amounts of red meat harms health is fatally scientifically flawed.

“In fact, removing fresh meat and dairy from diets would harm human health. Women, children, the elderly and low income would be particularly negatively impacted.”

The NHS also advises that red meat – such as beef, lamb and pork – is a good source of protein, vitamins and minerals and can form part of a balanced diet, although it warns that eating more than 90g per day can raise the risk of bowel cancer.

Bowel cancer - the risks
The new edition includes a declaration signed by nearly 1,000 scientists across the globe arguing that livestock farming was too important to society to “become the victim of zealotry”.

The Dublin Declaration includes signatories from the universities of Cambridge, Edinburgh, Bristol, Belfast, Newcastle, Nottingham, Surrey as well as several scientists from Britain’s world-leading agricultural and farming university Harper Adams.

“Livestock-derived foods provide a variety of essential nutrients and other health-promoting compounds, many of which are lacking in diets even among those populations with higher incomes,” the declaration states.

“Well-resourced individuals may be able to achieve adequate diets while heavily restricting meat, dairy and eggs. However, this approach should not be recommended for general populations.”

The researchers warned that those who need to eat animal products included young children, adolescents, pregnant and lactating women, women of reproductive age, older adults and the chronically ill.

‘One-size-fits-all agendas’
Dr Wilhelm Windisch, a farming nutrition expert at the Technical University of Munich, said: “Farmed and herded animals maintain a circular flow of materials in agriculture by using and upcycling large amounts of materials humans cannot eat, turning them into high-quality nutrient dense food.

“One-size-fits-all agendas, such as the drastic reductions of livestock numbers could incur environmental and nutritional consequences on a massive scale.”

The intervention was welcomed by the National Farmers Union (NFU) who were this week promoting Great British Beef Week.

Richard Findlay, the NFU livestock board chair, said: “This peer-reviewed research confirms what we’ve always known – that red meat is a quality, nutritious protein that plays a critical role in a healthy, sustainable balanced diet.

“During Great British Beef Week this week, we can celebrate the sustainability of British beef and the environmental benefits our grazing herds deliver.”

The Global Burden of Diseases team had not responded at the time of publication.

Wow.
Next you'll be telling us there are only 2 genders. But that would offend someone. No doubt this thread will too.

 

[Loiosh]

Sugar, you cut out refined sugar completely and you can eat a baby cow wrapped in bacon stuffed with king crab daily.

That's me. No sugar, plenty of meat.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

I'm Vegan for breakfast and lunchtime usually.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

I think it’s actually seafood diets?

Yeah pescatarian diet is supposed to be really good for you

 

[CatchnShoot]

You can ABSOLUTELY be a healthy vegan.

However, there is less room for error, it's not easy, and it's not cheaper than a standard diet...at all. Most of the time you are going to need to supplement with at least Iron and B12, but those can also be derived from non-animal sources.
I don't know why anybody would WANT to be a vegan, because full spectrum eating is divine.

 

[jk7707]

Eat like the Japanese. There's a reason why they live so long on average. Don't think they eat much red meat.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

Lol... Um no. Blue zone BS has been debunked.

I don't know that it has. I am a vegetarian but mostly for ethical reasons.

 

[Two Crows]

Blue Zone has been debunked... Okinawans live longest. Eat a ton of meat.

Veganism is BS... Unless done for ethical reasons.

NAHA – Okinawa Prefecture is seeing average life expectancy fall among its residents, especially men, with experts putting the blame on a dietary change under the post-World War II U.S. occupation.

After its reversion to Japan from U.S. rule 50 years ago, on May 15, 1972, Okinawa had stayed high in the prefecture-by-prefecture rankings of average life expectancy, tallied by the health ministry every five years based on national census and other data.

Okinawa had the longest average life expectancy among Japan’s 47 prefectures in 1980 both for men and women. But Okinawan men, who retained the top position in 1985, slid to fifth in 1990. After rising back to fourth in 1995, they abruptly fell to 26th in 2000 and have remained low in the list since then. Men in Okinawa ranked 36th in 2015.

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The health and longevity division of the Okinawa Prefectural Government attributes the results to obesity and lifestyle-related diseases among Okinawans due to a shift from traditional vegetable-based local cuisine.

People in the prefecture now tend to eat less vegetables and more meat, which has sent Okinawa’s obesity rate above the national average for all age groups, both for men and women.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/05/24/national/okinawa-life-expectancy/

TL: DR - Okinawans had the longest life expectancy, until they started eating more meat.

 

[Spetsnaz77]

I don't know that it has. I am a vegetarian but mostly for ethical reasons.

I just learned it recently myself. I respect you for doing it for ethics. Cheers

 

[Two Crows]

Yeah pescatarian diet is supposed to be really good for you

I've been Pescetarian since 2006.

It was hard at first, but I learned to cook. And today, there are so many options it's crazy.

 

[Spetsnaz77]

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/05/24/national/okinawa-life-expectancy/

TL: DR - Okinawans had the longest life expectancy, until they started eating more meat.

Sketchy... Considering meat and animal fats are what caused our ancestral brains to grow much larger... I'd bet you my retirement its nothing to do with less vegetables and more to do with how the meat is being prepared and or what its eaten with.

Example... A Big Mac (seed oils, bread, etc) contains meat... But the meat is the only healthy thing about it.

These studies can be very dubious.

Subject matter experts have objectively debunked the need / importance of vegetables.

No single group on earth subsists completely on vegetables / vegetation.

Meat / animal byproducts exclusive diets do exist however.

 

[Spetsnaz77]

I've been Pescetarian since 2006.

It was hard at first, but I learned to cook. And today, there are so many options it's crazy.

Looooove shrimp in any form.

 

[Spetsnaz77]

I've been Pescetarian since 2006.

It was hard at first, but I learned to cook. And today, there are so many options it's crazy.

You're around St Louis, right ?

 

[Spetsnaz77]

Eat like the Japanese. There's a reason why they live so long on average. Don't think they eat much red meat.

They eat mostly pork but also a lot of beef.

 

[jk7707]

They eat mostly pork but also a lot of beef.

Oh yea?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okinawan_cuisine

The vast majority of calories consumed from traditional Okinawan cuisine (more than 60 percent) is from the Okinawan sweet potato.[6] The traditional Okinawan cuisine is a high-carbohydrate diet of about 80% carbohydrates.[6] Traditional Okinawan cuisine consists of an abundance of green and yellow vegetables, bitter melon and various soy products.[7] The high legume content from traditional Okinawan cuisine mainly originates from soybean-based products such as tofu.[8]

Fish only makes up a very small part of traditional Okinawan cuisine, as little as 1% compared to 90% plant-based foods.[9] Less than 1% of the traditional Okinawan cuisine is meat, dairy and eggs.[6][9] The traditional Okinawan cuisine contains three servings of fish a week on average, seven daily servings of vegetables and two servings of tofu.[6][10] Pork is eaten in traditional Okinawan cuisine but only in small amounts.[8][11][12]

 

[Two Crows]

nvm

 

[deviake]

The article doesn't really say anything and the last line makes me want to look up where the funding/motivation to write it is coming from, but I'm too lazy so meh.