Pretty rich coming from you when you suddenly stopped replying when I showed you data about you being wrong about your statement saying whites are overrepresented in hate crimes in the other thread. Now you suddenly want to follow the data lol.
Yeah that’s why I put christians between “()” cause conservatives are just as bad. And those laws aren’t there due to the (christian) conservatives, but despite them.
I mean you can just look here at this micro society in the WR where most of the conservaties are intolerant to the lhgbtq community.
Framing this as a “muslim problem” is just pretty disingenuous and like I said before it’s bigotry disguised as criticism.
edit: let’s not forget who made the roe vs wade abolishment happen
It will be interesting what the Muhammadeens here have to say since this is highly relevant to this particular discussion - is there a historic basis to Muhammad ordering the killing of innocents like a 120 yr old man and a poetess next to her newborn, just for insulting him which justifies barbaric attacks like on Rushdie.
Christians can be extremely intolerant. Your supposed to live your life in the image of jesus though. Not sure how you would be able to lead your life in the image of Mohamed considering he was a
phile warlord and a likely snake oil salesman.
I never brought up data lol, I’m pointing out the hypocrisy of right wingers blatantly saying any data that doesn’t agree with then is manipulated. Did I accuse your data of being manipulated? No. I just didn’t think it was pertinent and was a non sequiter to the main conversation in that thread.
Those claims of murder are 100% misrepresentations. The reality is that the people killed were very effective propagandists agitating for the destruction of the nascent Muslim community. The Prophet ordered their killing because he saw them as a mortal danger to the community, it is absolutely no different from the US drone bombing an ISIS propagandist. Those were people who were providing material support to the enemy and were absolutely fair targets by todays standards let alone in the 7th century.
So which is it, reality or misrepresentation? Muhammad did indeed order to kill a 120 year old man as you admit.
How do you know that? I’m pretty handsome.
Because he was never a political or military leader. All the prophets in the Old Testament that were actually temporal leaders (Moses, Solomon, David, etc) did kill people. Comparing Jesus to Mohammed makes no sense, they played different roles had different responsibilities and different challenges.
Yeah that’s why I’m always suspicious about christians being critical on Islam. It often stems from Islamophobia or trying to paint a better picture of Christianity at the expense of Islam. I always try to find out if it’s a christian or an atheist to try to asses what drives people to act that way or say those things.
I think the drone program in general is murder, but only because of the callous way it’s being executed. If you could tell me an ISIS leader or propagandist could be killed by a drone strike without collateral damage, I’d be fine with it. I’m against the drone program because it’s callously executed and it's never ending. And it goes without saying that the killings Prophet Mohammed ordered were individual hits, collateral wasn’t allowed. So I’m fine with it. The real world isn’t pretty man, sometimes unpleasant things have to be done for the greater good. Islam is not a pacifist religion, but the principle is to reduce harm and avoid violence when possible, however when the community is under attack it's considered a religious obligation to defend yourself ferociously.
Nice try twisting my words. They weren’t “speaking out against Islam”, they were agitating for the Meccan army to attack and kill every single Muslim man woman and child. Poetry in Arabia back then was TV, movies and internet rolled into one, poets were extremely influential. They absolutely deserved to die for what they did and the type or danger they put Muslims in. Nobody would bat an eye if the US killed an ISIS propagandist, same difference. And you wouldn’t give a shit if that ISIS member was a nursing mother or an old man either lol.
The whole argument fails because people are judging historical people by contemporary laws and norms. It’s a classic mistake if you’re not very good ar historical thinking. What Muhammed allegedly did wasn’t that abnormal if you take the historical context in mind. Kings, religious leaders, emperors, warlords were all killing and pillaging.
