Crime Salman rushdie attacked on stage

[So Fresh]

Even if you ignore that I'm consistently calling out christians for being intolerant, you seem hell bent on overlooking the fact that in the overwhelming majority of christian countries there's human rights laws in place to protect minorities.

Once again, state sanctioned and enforced vs against the law persecution.

Religion has no place in government as far as I'm concerned. At least not in free and pluralistic societies.

Yeah that’s why I put christians between “()” cause conservatives are just as bad. And those laws aren’t there due to the (christian) conservatives, but despite them.

I mean you can just look here at this micro society in the WR where most of the conservaties are intolerant to the lhgbtq community.

Framing this as a “muslim problem” is just pretty disingenuous and like I said before it’s bigotry disguised as criticism.

edit: let’s not forget who made the roe vs wade abolishment happen

 

[oldshadow]

Cause self defence laws aren’t enough? This is based in pure homophobia, and any federal legislation to ban this practice is being blocked. I mean if we are talking about gov meddling in these kind of things.

If you look at a trans not being up front and telling the other person sexual assault there by self-defense I can see that.

 

[So Fresh]

If you look at a trans not being up front and telling the other person sexual assault there by self-defense I can see that.

What?

 

[Deleted member 577981]

But many Muslims criticizing their religion is indeed aggression. Or drawing a picture. Or calling a phile warlord a phile warlord.

how certain are we that he was a phile and do we know the exact ages of the girls he was with? im reading a book by hanz kung (catholic theologian) that is very apologetic towards mohamad and is making the case that he really is a prophet.

 

[moosaev]

So Uganda is your yardstick? And while they're planning on making such laws how many gay people in SA will be thrown off rooftops, or be snipped in Iran, or stoned to death in various repressive Islamic shit holes?

Meanwhile, in most of the other places you mentioned they, at least in letter of law, have equal rights. State sanctioned and state sponsored violence is on a whole nother level from individuals acting like caveman. But hey, under Islam you get both in many cases. Moron? Lol.

Edit: point being, human rights typically get flushed down the shitter when Islam becomes the ruling force. Women's rights, minority religous rights, gay rights, and free speech are always lessened. This isn't a point that can be argued against with any sort of honesty.

YOU made Uganda the yardstick lol, you asked me to get back to you when “one of those places” make it ok to kill gays. Keep changing the goal post. Absurd.

Another point to destroy your pointless distinction, the Caribbean nations are routinely sited as some of the most hostile places on Earth for gays, they routinely get killed there, especially Jamaica which is a Christian country. In sub Saharan Africa anti gay violence is also prevalent. Your anti-Islam tunnel vision has made you completely oblivious to even the most obvious counter examples to the bullshit you spew. Homophobia in the Muslim world gets an outsized attention because western media is incentived to run stories on “backward Muslims”, so it simply gets more media attention.

 

[oldshadow]

What?

I don't want to derail this thread. My view is a trans person not informing their partner and the partner finding out as they start to get intimate is a form a sexual assault.
If the person responds with a punch that's is self defense. If the person went crazy and beat them to death that should not get them off completely but seen as extenuating circumstances.

 

[Post 2 Decision]

That's what you get for leaving the religion of peace! A bounty on your head! Alhamdulillah

 

[Islam Imamate]

how certain are we that he was a phile and do we know the exact ages of the girls he was with? im reading a book by hanz kung (catholic theologian) that is very apologetic towards mohamad and is making the case that he really is a prophet.

Well when you say "girls" there's really only one wife whose age people take issue with and that's Aisha, his only virgin wife. Canonically she was six or seven when betrothed to the Prophet(PBUH) and nine or ten when she experienced menarche and the marriage was consummated. There are some scholars who dispute that age and have her a bit older, about 19 at consummation so two to three years younger than that when betrothed, but within the Islamic canon those views are minority ones.

Of course, the idea that he was a phile is a bit odd and I don't think is supported by the canon. Aisha was his only virgin wife, the rest were divorced or widowed and the two wives he married before her were about 40 years old. Additionally, you'll see that the Prophet(PBUH) married off his daughters to his closest companions and in turn married their daughter and Aisha was one such case as she was the daughter of Abu Bakr. And btw, Aisha was already betrothed to someone else before her dad decided to marry her to the Prophet(PBUH) so such marriages were the norm at the time. In fact there's a story from the era of a 21 yr old grandma.

 

[Snowblindlove]

Lmao, what happened to waiting for the evidence to come in? The WarRoom is always sooooo concerned about evidence when people assume it’s a white guy lol.

Honestly half these guys will probably start looking at conversion to Islam by 2024

 

[Snowblindlove]

Well when you say "girls" there's really only one wife whose age people take issue with and that's Aisha, his only virgin wife. Canonically she was six or seven when betrothed to the Prophet(PBUH) and nine or ten when she experienced menarche and the marriage was consummated. There are some scholars who dispute that age and have her a bit older, about 19 at consummation so two to three years younger than that when betrothed, but within the Islamic canon those views are minority ones.

Of course, the idea that he was a phile is a bit odd and I don't think is supported by the canon. Aisha was his only virgin wife, the rest were divorced or widowed and the two wives he married before her were about 40 years old. Additionally, you'll see that the Prophet(PBUH) married off his daughters to his closest companions and in turn married their daughter and Aisha was one such case as she was the daughter of Abu Bakr. And btw, Aisha was already betrothed to someone else before her dad decided to marry her to the Prophet(PBUH) so such marriages were the norm at the time. In fact there's a story from the era of a 21 yr old grandma.

Yes he rescued her. But it does amaze me he didnt desire other virgins when virginity is so highly praised and regarded. I suppose it is because he knew good things await him in the life after and that he married for genuine connection.

 

[Snowblindlove]

Meh after the Epstein island stuff I look at all those women weird now. I see hotter broads at the local target.

Yeah I agree. To me high value women are women who married as virgins and raise kids in religion. Any abrahamic faith and is right wing. That is a high value woman. A woman living as her ancestors did and the holy books say to is valuable.

I dont regard prostitutes which is what OnlyFans, Actresses etc are as high value women. Kardashians are demons and not real women. Most models are also sluts and constantly violating modesty.

 

[Fugazy]

lol I was just asking questions, no need to get all riled up. From reading that wiki site I wouldn’t say this fatwa belongs to the “core beliefs”.

“I saw something online that I’ve interpreted to say you are wrong, so definitely, you are wrong”

 

[AFewDollarsMore]

Hope the perp catches nominia

 

[Wadtucket]

Honestly half these guys will probably start looking at conversion to Islam by 2024

Inshallah bruvva

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Well when you say "girls" there's really only one wife whose age people take issue with and that's Aisha, his only virgin wife. Canonically she was six or seven when betrothed to the Prophet(PBUH) and nine or ten when she experienced menarche and the marriage was consummated. There are some scholars who dispute that age and have her a bit older, about 19 at consummation so two to three years younger than that when betrothed, but within the Islamic canon those views are minority ones.

Of course, the idea that he was a phile is a bit odd and I don't think is supported by the canon. Aisha was his only virgin wife, the rest were divorced or widowed and the two wives he married before her were about 40 years old. Additionally, you'll see that the Prophet(PBUH) married off his daughters to his closest companions and in turn married their daughter and Aisha was one such case as she was the daughter of Abu Bakr. And btw, Aisha was already betrothed to someone else before her dad decided to marry her to the Prophet(PBUH) so such marriages were the norm at the time. In fact there's a story from the era of a 21 yr old grandma.

this is a tricky one and honestly man it makes me a little uncomfortable. which mohamed do you sign onto out of curiosity? the man who was imperfect but still a prophet or the ideal man? and i hope i have not misremembered that you are a muslim (and an ally to me btw for lots of reasons).

 

[TheMaster]

That's what you get for leaving the religion of peace! A bounty on your head! Alhamdulillah

The only reason why Islam has survive so long is the rule on apostasy. Fear of each other.

Honestly half these guys will probably start looking at conversion to Islam by 2024

LoL, more likely that half of Muslims will consider abandoning the religion by then. Education really kills off Islam since it exposes the weak foundations of ethics that have no place in the modern world and the historical hoaxes of the religion.
It's hard to tell how many of the 1.5 billion really believe, since the only reason so many are in it is due to a threat from the community for leaving. Any religion that thinks threatening it's members for questioning or leaving, is on very very shaky ground.

When you finally do want to leave the association is here for you

https://exmuslims.org/

Supportive community of enlightened people.

Well when you say "girls" there's really only one wife whose age people take issue with and that's Aisha, his only virgin wife. Canonically she was six or seven when betrothed to the Prophet(PBUH) and nine or ten when she experienced menarche and the marriage was consummated. There are some scholars who dispute that age and have her a bit older, about 19 at consummation so two to three years younger than that when betrothed, but within the Islamic canon those views are minority ones.

So thanks for clarifying that within the Islamic tradition itself it's is a majority view that she was 9 or 10 when they had sex (ie child rape). This also then acts as a justification for other men in the Muslim world to think they can do the same now.

Why don't you also address the fact that Muhammad ordered the killing of a 120 year old man for criticizing him, and ordered the killing of a poetess next to her newborn baby, also for criticizing him which are the types of things in the Koran that are a direct basis for attacks on people like Rushdie.
I am legit interested in the mental gymnastics you will use to try to loophole around this.

 

[So Fresh]

“I saw something online that I’ve interpreted to say you are wrong, so definitely, you are wrong”

Can’t you read?

 

[Kforcer]

Let’s not forget they always act like Islam is a homogeneous group of people.

People actually do that on both sides, when it comes to Islam. Critics and apologists.

 

[StonedLemur]

Meh after the Epstein island stuff I look at all those women weird now. I see hotter broads at the local target.

You might see hotter broads, but you're not pullin them like this old man is....huge difference sir.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

The only reason why Islam has survive so long is the rule on apostasy. Fear of each other.



LoL, more likely that half of Muslims will consider abandoning the religion by then. Education really kills off Islam since it exposes the weak foundations of ethics that have no place in the modern world and the historical hoaxes of the religion.
It's hard to tell how many of the 1.5 billion really believe, since the only reason so many are in it is due to a threat from the community for leaving. Any religion that thinks threatening it's members for questioning or leaving, is on very very shaky ground.

When you finally do want to leave the association is here for you

https://exmuslims.org/

Supportive community of enlightened people.


So thanks for clarifying that within the Islamic tradition itself it's is a majority view that she was 9 or 10 when they had sex (ie child rape). This also then acts as a justification for other men in the Muslim world to think they can do the same now.

Why don't you also address the fact that Muhammad ordered the killing of a 120 year old man for criticizing him, and ordered the killing of a poetess next to her newborn baby, also for criticizing him which are the types of things in the Koran that are a direct basis for attacks on people like Rushdie.
I am legit interested in the mental gymnastics you will use to try to loophole around this.

are these claims of murder accepted scholarship or is it fringe scholarship? not trying to start a fight here.