Crime Salman rushdie attacked on stage

[TheMaster]

Gawd.

I stated very clearly that moderate Muslims outnumber extremist Muslims and that Islam in and of itself is no better or worse than most religions. Again, I wasn't misrepresenting my own perspective, here.

Religious extremism exists everywhere and should be condemned everywhere. However, right now in this moment, Islam has a much higher proportion of extremists willing to participate in far more extreme acts (and over far smaller perceived slights) than other religions.

You make some good points. However I would urge you to strongly question the narrative that 'Islam in of itself is no better or worse than other religions'.
Where does this attitude come from?
It's far and away worse than all of the others by a long way, comparable only to medeival Christianity which died out centuries ago. I know moderate muslims are ok, but that's because they don't practice Islam.

A good starting point is to ask, do any other cults/religions have a rule to kill their memberships for leaving?
Only Islam instructs this as per Muhammad in the Koran....no other religions say this, but plenty of gangs and cults do.


If you were to survey the entire Muslim world now, what percentage of them would be ok with or support the Rushdie attack? I would estimate probably 50%, which may be a conservative guess. Of course they won't openly declare it. It's a very significant number whatever it is.

This article is worth studying when there is time, written in the site of an ex-muslim.

https://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/RealIslam.htm

"In light of the long, often-violent history of Islam’s expansion, and the many more recent terrorists attacks in the world, it would be foolish to rely on carefully crafted statements, in English, from prominent Muslims regarding the true nature of Islam.

Westerners are inclined to believe religious leaders are normally honest and pious, and we want desperately to believe that all Muslim clerics and Imams are similarly disposed, but that is an assumption fraught with peril. Unfortunately, as will be shown, dishonesty and deception towards non-believers are also a part of accepted Islamic practice and doctrine, and success at such deliveries in the advance of Islam is celebrated and rewarded."

 

[moosaev]

Sure, if they have seen one in real life. Off course the other sherbros have to speak for themselves, and are free to do so.

So do you consider them white?

Race is a social construct, Europeans and Americans consider Bosnian Muslims white, but Russians do not consider Chechens white for example, despite the fact that they’re as white as Bosnians, I know an Azeri guy who is as white as white can be and they used to call him blackie when he lived in Russia.

 

[moosaev]

No, moron, you do belong to the same faith as Al quada. Thank God you're better than those loons despite your many shortcomings though.

Religion is a choice. Race is not. No race of people have a uniform religion. This gotcha you think you have is just racist bullshit.

The point is going completely over your head. Assigning collective blame is WRONG in any situation, whether the perpetrator of a crime shares a religion, race, birthday, zodiac sign, whatever. THAT’S the point. Forcing all members of a group to prove that they’re one of the “good ones” is a disgusting double standard that is only ever applied to minorities.

 

[TryggeTryggvar]

Race is a social construct, Europeans and Americans consider Bosnian Muslims white, but Russians do not consider Chechens white for example, despite the fact that they’re as white as Bosnians, I know an Azeri guy who is as white as white can be and they used to call him blackie when he lived in Russia.

While I dont agree 100% with you on this, I can see your point. Race isnt a social construct, seeing as you can trace genes etc, but it is often politiziced because of nationalism or other more sinnister ideologies.

Also alot of russians are raging racists and nationalists, it is known. Outside of the western sphere there are alot of racists. I can attest to this after extensive travels.

 

[moosaev]

I know moderate muslims are ok, but that's because they don't practice Islam.

This is the crux of the problem, there are only 2 groups who do not believe moderate Muslims are true Muslims, Islamic extremists and anti-Muslim bigots. Your position is that Al Qaeda’s interpretation of Islam is correct, but you’re not the arbiter of what Islam is, you just read a couple of hateful and distorted articles on what Muslims “truly” believe, and those articles are complete full of shit, utterly lacking in context.

 

[Bald1]

The point is going completely over your head. Assigning collective blame is WRONG in any situation, whether the perpetrator of a crime shares a religion, race, birthday, zodiac sign, whatever. THAT’S the point. Forcing all members of a group to prove that they’re one of the “good ones” is a disgusting double standard that is only ever applied to minorities.

Islam is an ideology with rules. Race has no rules.

You can tapdance all you want, but ideology isn't inherent identity. Best you wrap your head around this. And on what planet is Islam a minority? You keep saying that Muslim and white are different categories. Guess what genius, there's more Muslims in the world than white people. No matter how you look at it, you're in the wrong.

 

[RabbitPunch36]

I never said I was religious tool. The pastor Terry Jones is great for having the guts to openly burn Koran's, something the general masses wouldn't do.

Also even amongst religions, they are not all created equal. Muhammadism is the worst and lowest and most intolerant and hateful of them if you looked into it.

Where is the condemnation of this attack from the supposedly moderate 'Muslims of America', 'Muslim Council of Britain' etc etc?

That's right they silently condone it in private. The two faced fucks - it's only when Muslims face discrimination they chirp up but when Rushdie is stabbed they actually secretly are happy or don't care most of them. Muhammadism is a very two faced religious community in general, once face for each other and one for non-muslims.

Two faced <45>. You and many others advocate for the so called freedom loving and open minded western ideology but dont want to admit the foundation on which America and most of Western Europe was built and yet you have the arrogance and ignorance to call Islam and its followers two faced.

 

[moosaev]

Islam is an ideology with rules. Race has no rules.

You can tapdance all you want, but ideology isn't inherent identity. Best you wrap your head around this. And on what planet is Islam a minority? You keep saying that Muslim and white are different categories. Guess what genius, there's more Muslims in the world than white people. No matter how you look at it, you're in the wrong.

Islam is a religion, not an ideology. There are multiple ideologies within islam (the mutazilites, kharijiites, etc etc). At the end of the day, my point stands, you can’t ask 1.8 billion people to prove they’re one of the “good guys” because a member of their group did something. This principle applies to *any* group, be it racial, ethnic, religious, ideology based, etc. It’s a simple concept to grasp, I don’t know why you’re struggling with it.

 

[Bald1]

Islam is a religion, not an ideology. There are multiple ideologies within islam. At the end of the day, my point stands, you can’t ask 1.8 billion people to prove they’re one of the “good guys” because a member of their group did something. This principle applies to *any* group, be it racial, ethnic, religious, ideology based, etc. It’s a simple concept to grasp, I don’t know why you’re struggling with it.

It is an ideology. That's another thing you'll have to wrap your head around it seems.

You don't have to prove shit. It's obvious most Muslims are better than Islam. Even fuckstics like you who joke about civilizing countries by spreading your ideology. If most Muslims were weren't "good ones" as in, were more like Mohamed, the world would be a terrible, backwards place.

 

[moosaev]

It is an ideology. That's another thing you'll have to wrap your head around it seems.

You don't have to prove shit. It's obvious most Muslims are better than Islam. Even fuckstics like you who joke about civilizing countries by spreading your ideology. If most Muslims were weren't "good ones" as in, were more like Mohamed, the world would be a terrible, backwards place.

Multiple people in this very thread attempted to force me to clarify whether I thought a terrorist attack against Rushdie was wrong lol, that’s the definition of asking me to prove I’m one of the “good ones”.

 

[TryggeTryggvar]

Two faced <45>. You and many others advocate for the so called freedom loving and open minded western ideology but dont want to admit the foundation on which America and most of Western Europe was built and yet you have the arrogance and ignorance to call Islam and its followers two faced.

You do realize that the foundation you are talking about happened quite some time ago, and western society have evolved? Is it two faced if you have different opinions than your 10x great grandfather?

Also do you seriously think western people are aware of how things were and are denying it? I know some people deny the holocaust, mainly muslims and white supremacists/nazis, but ive never experienced anyone denying the treatment of colonized countries, slavery and other random fuckery that went down in ye good ole days.

May I ask where you are from sherbro?

 

[moosaev]

I'm just saying I like to wait for the facts(no matter what), and pointing out his completely hypocritical mindset. His thread immediately blaming white people in Arizona or whatever confirms he's full of shit

Quote that shit lol. I never ONCE said white people were behind it, you’re just projecting your insecurities at the mere mention of a hate crime.

 

[Bald1]

Multiple people in this very thread attempted to force me to clarify whether I thought a terrorist attack against Rushdie was wrong lol, that’s the definition of asking me to prove I’m one of the “good ones”.

I've met dead eyed people who don't operate the same as regular folks. They don't typically try to convince others others of anything through words nor would they argue with people online.

 

[RabbitPunch36]

You do realize that the foundation you are talking about happened quite some time ago, and western society have evolved? Is it two faced if you have different opinions than your 10x great grandfather?

Also do you seriously think western people are aware of how things were and are denying it? I know some people deny the holocaust, mainly muslims and white supremacists/nazis, but ive never experienced anyone denying the treatment of colonized countries, slavery and other random fuckery that went down in ye good ole days.

May I ask where you are from sherbro?

I have heard many people extremely downplay colonialism of Muslim countries and brush aside colonialism of non Muslim 3rd world countries in the war room. Many people are unaware of the brutuality of colonialism in places like Algeria and Bangladash.

I am from America. I find it hypocritical that people like the master deginerate Islam and Islamic countries but they completely ignore events that happened in the the not so distant past such as the invasion of Iraq and removoal of their government or the strong arming of the Pakistani Government during the war on terror era which has lead to many deaths and economic hardships for the people living in those countries.

 

[moosaev]

I've met dead eyed people who don't operate the same as regular folks. They don't typically try to convince others others of anything through words nor would they argue with people online.

Word salad. In reality with Muslims it’s guilty until proven innocent, nobody will ask any other group to prove they’re one of the good ones.

 

[I Am Legion]

The post I was quoting was written way before the perps picture was published. Im actually not against making reasonable inferences of who might be behind it, im just pointing out the hypocrisy of this forum always going into meltdown mode whenever people reasonably infer that a white person might’ve been behind something lol. Let’s keep the same energy.

I have heard this argument before but I never see proof...In terms of police interactions that is different. The other side rushes to blame cops with partial videos or photos, and the interaction is usually with a criminal. Sometimes the cop is even shot at and when he returns the favor the left scream "Was that necessary?" You can't rush to judgement with police interactions. Now in this circumstance when a man is famous for poking Muslim Extremeists and then is threatened by them, I think it is safe to assume who attacked him.

 

[tastaylvr]

You do realize that the foundation you are talking about happened quite some time ago, and western society have evolved? Is it two faced if you have different opinions than your 10x great grandfather?

Also do you seriously think western people are aware of how things were and are denying it? I know some people deny the holocaust, mainly muslims and white supremacists/nazis, but ive never experienced anyone denying the treatment of colonized countries, slavery and other random fuckery that went down in ye good ole days.

May I ask where you are from sherbro?

You act like western countries haven’t committed atrocities recently lol

just because the country itself is more civilised does not make them better when they treat outsiders worse than animals

Objectively Christian countries have done much more damage globally than any muslims lol

 

[jeremyemilio]

You make some good points. However I would urge you to strongly question the narrative that 'Islam in of itself is no better or worse than other religions'.
Where does this attitude come from?
It's far and away worse than all of the others by a long way, comparable only to medeival Christianity which died out centuries ago. I know moderate muslims are ok, but that's because they don't practice Islam.

A good starting point is to ask, do any other cults/religions have a rule to kill their memberships for leaving?
Only Islam instructs this as per Muhammad in the Koran....no other religions say this, but plenty of gangs and cults do.


If you were to survey the entire Muslim world now, what percentage of them would be ok with or support the Rushdie attack? I would estimate probably 50%, which may be a conservative guess. Of course they won't openly declare it. It's a very significant number whatever it is.

This article is worth studying when there is time, written in the site of an ex-muslim.

https://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/RealIslam.htm

"In light of the long, often-violent history of Islam’s expansion, and the many more recent terrorists attacks in the world, it would be foolish to rely on carefully crafted statements, in English, from prominent Muslims regarding the true nature of Islam.

Westerners are inclined to believe religious leaders are normally honest and pious, and we want desperately to believe that all Muslim clerics and Imams are similarly disposed, but that is an assumption fraught with peril. Unfortunately, as will be shown, dishonesty and deception towards non-believers are also a part of accepted Islamic practice and doctrine, and success at such deliveries in the advance of Islam is celebrated and rewarded."

I'm a pastor's kid. I know my Bible. Leviticus calls for death for adultery, for having sex with someone of the same sex, and even for cursing your parents. Depending on the interpretation, a married couple who has sex during her period should be either put to death or banished.

And, yes, the New Testament reframes and qualifies the Old, but there's all sorts of debate on just how much.

The good news is, modern Christians and Jews don't adhere to these aspects of their religion, just like moderate Muslims don't adhere to the violent aspects of theirs.

The bad news is, there's a much (much) higher proportion of Muslims who do adhere to the most violent and extreme aspects of the religion. My point is simply that this is not the fault of the religion as a whole, or (especially) of moderate adherents.

But, yes, we agree that Islam has an extremist problem right now in both the quantity of the extremists in the mix and the extent of their extremism.

 

[TryggeTryggvar]

I have heard many people extremely downplay colonialism of Muslim countries and brush aside colonialism of non Muslim 3rd world countries in the war room. Many people are unaware of the brutuality of colonialism in places like Algeria and Bangladash.

I am from America. I find it hypocritical that people like the master deginerate Islam and Islamic countries but they completely ignore events that happened in the the not so distant past such as the invasion of Iraq and removoal of their government or the strong arming of the Pakistani Government during the war on terror era which has lead to many deaths and economic hardships for the people living in those countries.

Many people are unaware that 2+2=4(im joking but you get my point). Being uneducated you cant really add them into the crowd of "deniers" since they dont know about it in the first place. Ive never met a person who knows history and deny anything, unless that person is religious.

While I do agree that the war on terror, and the arab spring were, how should I put it, in extremely bad taste. But bad actions on one part dont nullify the bad actions of other people. There is alot of evil in religion, and plenty of two faced preachers or whatever their religion calls them.

 

[Bald1]

Word salad. In reality with Muslims it’s guilty until proven innocent, nobody will ask any other group to prove they’re one of the good ones.

Bullshit. Your victimhood is flaring up again. Grow a set.