Crime Salman rushdie attacked on stage

[jeremyemilio]

This is the crux of the problem, there are only 2 groups who do not believe moderate Muslims are true Muslims, Islamic extremists and anti-Muslim bigots. Your position is that Al Qaeda’s interpretation of Islam is correct, but you’re not the arbiter of what Islam is, you just read a couple of hateful and distorted articles on what Muslims “truly” believe, and those articles are complete full of shit, utterly lacking in context.

Exactly. Now you're onto a much more accurate and defensible line of argument.

 

[TryggeTryggvar]

You act like western countries haven’t committed atrocities recently lol

just because the country itself is more civilised does not make them better when they treat outsiders worse than animals

Objectively Christian countries have done much more damage globally than any muslims lol

Do I now? Feel free to quote me for all my posts where I said that

 

[giusti825]

https://apnews.com/article/salman-rushdie-attacked-9eae99aea82cb0d39628851ecd42227a

CHAUTAUQUA, N.Y. (AP) — Salman Rushdie, the author whose writing led to death threats from Iran in the 1980s, was attacked Friday as he was about to give a lecture in western New York.

An Associated Press reporter witnessed a man storm the stage at the Chautauqua Institution and begin punching or stabbing Rushdie as he was being introduced. The 75-year-old author was pushed or fell to the floor, and the man was restrained.

Someone wanted to collect those millions after all those years. Crazy.

Publicity stunt. We got septuagenarians out here with PR consultants chasing clout.

 

[SandisLL]

It is horrible.
Ofc this gentleman had criticised religions because sometimes they might create obsession like stuff...
While still to kill cos this?
+ his books are very good.......

 

[RabbitPunch36]

Many people are unaware that 2+2=4(im joking but you get my point). Being uneducated you cant really add them into the crowd of "deniers" since they dont know about it in the first place. Ive never met a person who knows history and deny anything, unless that person is religious.

While I do agree that the war on terror, and the arab spring were, how should I put it, in extremely bad taste. But bad actions on one part dont nullify the bad actions of other people. There is alot of evil in religion, and plenty of two faced preachers or whatever their religion calls them.

My point of view is that a person may claim to have no religious or political afflialtions but they implicitly or explicitly advocate for a Western Idealogy ehich has many skeletons in the closet. Those very same people are the first to bash Islam and claim western powers have never done uneccessry harm to the Muslim world.

 

[SandisLL]

We are ready to discuss our flaws and mistakes during centuries and also to admit our sins.

Unlike Kirill and dudes blessing him.

 

[TryggeTryggvar]

My point of view is that a person may claim to have no religious or political afflialtions but they implicitly or explicitly advocate for a Western Idealogy ehich has many skeletons in the closet. Those very same people are the first to bash Islam and claim western powers have never done uneccessry harm to the Muslim world.

Every country and continent, religion and ideology, has a closet full of skeletons, raped children and burned "witches", but somehow the westerners closets are made out to be so much worse.

Btw, do you prefer another way to do things than the western model of democracy and human rights? While the system is flawed, mainly because humans are flawed, imo its still the best political system invented.

Also I would love for you to quote someone that has presented such opinions that you claim in the section I highlighted.

 

[SandisLL]

Our father in heaven hallowed by your name.
Your kingdom come.
Your holy spirit come upon and cleanse us.
Your will be done on earth as in heaven.
Give us each day our daily bread
and forgive us our sins for we ourselves forgive everyone indebted to us.
And don't bring us to the time of trial but rescue us from the evil.
Amen.

 

[Bald1]

Every country and continent, religion and ideology, has a closet full of skeletons, raped children and burned "witches", but somehow the westerners closets are made out to be so much worse.
.

Because only we here in the west admit our fuck ups. Admittedly that only amounts to lip service while purchasing Russian and Saudi fuel and Chinese products, but it's a hell of a lot more than the denial coming from most other places in the world.

 

[oldshadow]

Religion tends to change and evolve as time goes on. The problem is Islam is where Christians where 500 years ago.

 

[TheMaster]

And, yes, the New Testament reframes and qualifies the Old, but there's all sorts of debate on just how much.

The good news is, modern Christians and Jews don't adhere to these aspects of their religion, just like moderate Muslims don't adhere to the violent aspects of theirs.

The bad news is, there's a much (much) higher proportion of Muslims who do adhere to the most violent and extreme aspects of the religion. My point is simply that this is not the fault of the religion as a whole, or (especially) of moderate adherents.

But, yes, we agree that Islam has an extremist problem right now in both the quantity of the extremists in the mix and the extent of their extremism.

Ok we are getting somewhere, let's now clarify what the issue is and why there is this difference:

The New Testament is seen as the Christian teaching proper following the example of a peaceful man Jesus. Old Testament is historic context largely and not to be followed literally.

Now let's contrast with Islam to see why so many of these delusional fucktards are involved in extremism or tacitly support and condone it;

Islam as per the Koran is seen as the unalterable word of God- this means stoning for adultery is, not a barbaric 7th century Arab village practice that they wrote of when they put together their false Arab prophet story, but elevated to 'divine verses'. So idiots in the formerly civilized Persia will stone people like subhumans believing it is a divine ordained punishment.

Everything in Koran is supposed to be followed literally, including allmots barbaric 7th century practices.

Next, they see Muhamad himself - the self declared prophet who stole the pagan moon god 'Allah' from the other 360 pagan gods of Arabia and elevated him to 'the one' when he flew on his magic donkey to receive guidance - as 'the perfect example'.

When that example is a degenerate who would have been rightly executed in most cultures for murder, rape etc and would have been gang raped in prison for being a peado, then that community has a pretty big problem and will create problems.

This is the crux of the problem, there are only 2 groups who do not believe moderate Muslims are true Muslims, Islamic extremists and anti-Muslim bigots. Your position is that Al Qaeda’s interpretation of Islam is correct, but you’re not the arbiter of what Islam is, you just read a couple of hateful and distorted articles on what Muslims “truly” believe, and those articles are complete full of shit, utterly lacking in context.

Even thought it's not true, I am willing to give you a pass as you are trying to be a moderate within the shackles of the Muhammadeen bastard cult. Again, Muhammad himself said you should be killed if you left the cult. It's extreme in it's very core doctrine but if you can try to come to some kind of moderate position it's the next best thing to abandoning that garbage completely.



"There are moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam"

("There is no version of Islam that does not teach to wage violent war against unbelievers and subjugate them in the name of Allah")

 

[SandisLL]

No, there is moderate islam.
Islam like chatolics or lutherans accept new entrants regardless from nationality or skin colour...like a lot of old Norse stuff btw...
While for hindu you should have mother and father hindu religion origin....and your cast as white foreigner is determined automatically: you are from warrior cast and might take any posts in India except .....priests posts cos you never will be bramin....
Never!......

 

[Bald1]

No, there is moderate islam.
Islam like chatolics or lutherans accept new entrants regardless from nationality or skin colour...like a lot of old Norse stuff btw...
While for hindu you should have mother and father hindu religion origin....and your cast as wihite foreigner is determined automatically: you are from warrior cast and might take any posts in India except .....priests posts cos you never will be bramin....
Never!......

Of course there's moderate Islam, just as there's extremist Christianity. But both exist despite the example set by their leaders, not because of it.

 

[SandisLL]

Of course there's moderate Islam, just as there's extremist Christianity. But both exist despite the example set by their leaders, not because of it.

I didn't had saw extremist christians and physically aggressive...
While some % of them are super hardcore anti abortion activists...
We even have archi bishop and 2 bishops from one church and one from these bishops is hardcore total abortion ban prophet...

Total ban means even if doctors consilum will state that to keep pregnancy will be 99% and more risk for mother and fetus to die....
Anyway all accodring to him should be in God's hands...
Archi bishop about such situations is more modern thinking and lenient about this in reality....
In such cases....

 

[Bald1]

I didn't had saw extremist christians and physically aggressive...
While some % of them are super hardcore anti abortion activists...
We even have archi bishop and 2 bishops from one church and one from these bishops is hardcore total abortion ban prophet...

Total ban means even if doctors consilum will state that to keep pregnancy will be 99% and more risk for mother and fetus to die....
Anyway all accodring to him should be in God's hands...
Archi bishop about such situations is more modern thinking and lenient about this in reality....
In such cases....

priests go against christian teachings but act exactly like Mohamed did.

Jesus would condemn the Westborough Church lunatics but Mohammed would most likely support their ideas.

And while I suspect both of them would be against abortion, Mo would be more likely to support firebombing planned Parenthood.

 

[SandisLL]

priest is against God's will.
While we should know that it is hard and difficult road to spot and expose Satan.

There is also important thing in christianity.
Some churches allow you to have wife if you are priest....

I think this is good idea and nice thing not to go against nature...
While some churches are demanding _____we know what stuff......
And then.....

There is something wrong I think...

Chatolic priests I think f.e should be allowed to have wife...female...
Why not.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Publicity stunt. We got septuagenarians out here with PR consultants chasing clout.

He was stabbed in the neck and is on life support while his attacker has been charged with attempted murder. That’s one hell of a publicity stunt

 

[SandisLL]

He stabbed him in liver, arm and neck AFAIK....

 

[giusti825]

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He was stabbed in the neck and is on life support while his attacker has been charged with attempted murder. That’s one hell of a publicity stunt

Was just kidding.....I forget how tone doesn't come across in text communications sometimes....

 

[SandisLL]

Ha ha.
He might had created more popular books and to earn xxx more money than Rushdi...
Instead of this ....yeah...as usually...

Nope.
Muslims doesn't have more rights than others and should shut their mouths....
Satan is well known entity and Satan is enemy.