Crime Salman rushdie attacked on stage

[Busgosu]

Did anyone bet on the attacker being a atheist?

 

[TheMaster]

lol even worse. You talk about a religion being intolerant and then show a video of a pastor literally burning a koran <Lmaoo>

And then you continue to be intolerant yourself against muslims.

You’re no where near a position to claim any moral high ground.

Nice try but your logic fails.

This is because Islam is different. I don't tolerate it because unlike all other religions it preaches intolerance for everyone else. They label non-muhamadeens infidels and give them few rights in Muslim countries and threaten them for criticism of Islam.

I am tolerant of all other religions,and of non- religious people.

I don't tolerate fundamental Islam or Islamic intolerance, and I think the world would be better off if Islam didn't exist and Muslims converted to other religions or became non-religious (which will happen over time since they are now the bitch militarily and Islam spread via the sword not doctrine through history).

Secular Muslims are ok, because they are essentially non-muslims who don't overtly leave the religion out of fear from their own community.

 

[Goonerview]

This kind of violence is despicable. Even if you disagree with someone, there is no need for this.

 

[So Fresh]

Nice try but your logic fails.

This is because Islam is different. I don't tolerate it because unlike all other religions it preaches intolerance for everyone else. They label non-muhamadeens infidels and give them few rights in Muslim countries and threaten them for criticism of Islam.

I am tolerant of all other religions,and of non- religious people.

I don't tolerate fundamental Islam or Islamic intolerance, and I think the world would be better off if Islam didn't exist and Muslims converted to other religions or became non-religious (which will happen over time since they are now the bitch militarily and Islam spread via the sword not doctrine through history).

Secular Muslims are ok, because they are essentially non-muslims who don't overtly leave the religion out of fear from their own community.

Thanks for admitting you’re a hypocrite

 

[moosaev]

Sit down and be quiet. You're not in a position to lecture anyone after this past week.

Aren’t you supposed to be a moderator? So it’s totally cool to insinuate a poster supports a terrorist attack as another poster did here huh? What a fucking joke lol, maybe you should do your job before lecturing.

 

[Madmick]

Aren’t you supposed to be a moderator? So it’s totally cool to insinuate a poster supports a terrorist attack as another poster did here huh? What a fucking joke lol, maybe you should do your job before lecturing.

Nobody insinuated such a thing. Conversely, you made a false claim in the other thread when you asserted that Arizona PD declared a suspicion the serial killer of Muslim men was a non-Muslim on an anti-Muslim terroristic rampage.

So, I iterate, stop derailing the thread. Mistake this as an invitation for some smug remark, and you'll see how exhausted I am with this victim complex you're putting on in here.

 

[HOLA]

Sounds like he was really severely injured. Didn't realize it was anywhere near that bad at first.

 

[tastaylvr]

Did anyone bet on the attacker being a atheist?

I’m not even a believer and know atheists have killed far more people than any religious nutter

what do you consider the American rampage of the world? The multiple genocides committed in the last 100 years? What about Stalin? Mao? Hitler?

china right now is considered an atheist country lol

 

[tastaylvr]

You’ve been contrasting Muslims with whites with every post in this thread as if the two are mutually exclusive. So how does the average warm room poster think of a white Muslim? I’m curious.

they obviously don’t consider them white lol

 

[KnightTemplar]

Sounds like he was really severely injured. Didn't realize it was anywhere near that bad at first.

He's on a ventilator, suffered nerve damage to one arm and may lose an eye.

 

[Ruprecht]

He's on a ventilator, suffered nerve damage to one arm and may lose an eye.

Punctured his liver as well.

 

[TryggeTryggvar]

they obviously don’t consider them white lol

How so? Religion doesnt depend on skin color, any idiot is free to convert to whatever fantasy tale he wants to put his faith in.

Know plenty of white muslims that came from yugoslavia and live here.

 

[TheMaster]

So it’s totally cool to insinuate a poster supports a terrorist attack as another poster did here huh?

Since you are very vocal on here, can we assume you support the attack and further types of attacks on any of those who 'hurt the feelings of muslims'?

Or do you condemn it?

Or do you just want to remain silent like a bitch about the actual issue we are discussing and neither openly condemn or support it? (which obviously would mean you support the attack since denouncing it is easy)

 

[jeremyemilio]

You couldn’t get that from my initial response?

Shitting on another religion while being religious yourself is hypocrite

I'm hesitant to write this because I get that the thread is filled with vocal righties (along with some more reasonable folk) and you and @moosaev are in here trying to add some much needed balance, which I commend you for.

But as much as I'm all for equal shitting opportunity on all religions, not all religions are created equal.

Someone just got stabbed for writing a book "shitting on" a religion. That's simply not something that happens regularly with pretty much any religion but one. And that sort of thing happens far too regularly with that one. Salman Rushdie is a human being. The Charlie Hebdo victims were human beings. That's not even getting into the female genital mutilation and other sorts of woman and girl (and young boy) abuse that run rampant through that religion. These victims are human beings, too.

Don't mistake me. As a purely theoretical/theological stance, Islam in and of itself isn't measurably better or worse than most other religions. But there are far too many extremists in that mix. And even measuring extremists against extremists Islamic extremists put most other extremists to shame.

A guy burning the sacred text of another religion, or even the fucking Westborough Baptist Church and their homophobic protests at military burials, has nothing on a family that has their own kid drug out into the wilderness to have her clitoris scraped off with the sharp edge of a piece of broken clay pot or someone who beheads a fucking teacher for showing his class some cartoons. And the second group of extremists outnumbers the first.

That doesn't mean that non-extremist Muslims are responsible for the actions of the extremists (and the non-extremists are still in the majority; I teach my share of Muslim students and the ones I know well are horrified by this sort of bullshit). It is only proper to draw the distinction between the two and make sure that good people aren't being maligned for the actions of violent sociopathic fanatics. But I feel like that project needs to be undertaken with care so as to avoid providing cover for horrible people in a way that actually ends up lumping them in with moderate religious adherents, which is what I think your comment above suggesting that being religious precludes one from condemning religious extremism, and this comment below about what it means to take your religion "seriously," might be taken to do:

I disagree, I think Muslims have a different concept of freedom of expression. Even in the West you’re not free to express anything you want, in France or Germany you can go to jail for saying something anti-Semitic. The American concept of freedom of expression is more expansive than Europe but still has limits. So freedom of expression has limits, to most Muslims someone going out of their way to be offensive to the Prophet isn’t about freedom of expression it’s much more nefarious than that. And a small subset of Muslims will retaliate for it because more Muslims actually take their faith seriously than other religions.

To sum up, you're in a thread about a man who was stabbed in the arm and the neck and the eye and the liver for writing a book.

 

[tastaylvr]

How so? Religion doesnt depend on skin color, any idiot is free to convert to whatever fantasy tale he wants to put his faith in.

Know plenty of white muslims that came from yugoslavia and live here.

do you think sherdoggers consider Bosnians white?

 

[moosaev]

Since you are very vocal on here, can we assume you support the attack and further types of attacks on any of those who 'hurt the feelings of muslims'?

Or do you condemn it?

Or do you just want to remain silent like a bitch about the actual issue we are discussing and neither openly condemn or support it? (which obviously would mean you support the attack since denouncing it is easy)

Is every white person on here forced to condemn an attack by a white supremacist? Gtfoh with that BS, the fact that this question is even being asked perfectly highlights the hypocrisy I’m talking about lol. You guys are simultaneously the biggest snowflakes in the world while also being totally oblivious to the offenses you cause. It’s really incredible.

 

[moosaev]

Nobody insinuated such a thing. Conversely, you made a false claim in the other thread when you asserted that Arizona PD declared a suspicion the serial killer of Muslim men was a non-Muslim on an anti-Muslim terroristic rampage.

So, I iterate, stop derailing the thread. Mistake this as an invitation for some smug remark, and you'll see how exhausted I am with this victim complex you're putting on in here.

Dude, this is nothing but a power trip. This is what you have to resort to when people disagree? Smh.

Also, if nobody insinuated that I was a terrorist supporter then why did you delete that post where someone claimed I was happy Rushdie wasn’t doing well?

 

[Busgosu]

I’m not even a believer and know atheists have killed far more people than any religious nutter

what do you consider the American rampage of the world? The multiple genocides committed in the last 100 years? What about Stalin? Mao? Hitler?

china right now is considered an atheist country lol

Wow great reasoning! So, you would say that it should have been more likely that an atheist would try to murder Salman fucking Rushdie, of all people, right?
Sherdog, only the brightest...

 

[tastaylvr]

Wow great reasoning! So, you would say that it should have been more likely that an atheist would try to murder Salman fucking Rushdie, of all people, right?
Sherdog, only the brightest...

there’s a three million bounty on his head

 

[moosaev]

I'm hesitant to write this because I get that the thread is filled with vocal righties (along with some more reasonable folk) and you and @moosaev are in here trying to add some much needed balance, which I commend you for.

But as much as I'm all for equal shitting opportunity on all religions, not all religions are created equal.

Someone just got stabbed for writing a book "shitting on" a religion. That's simply not something that happens regularly with pretty much any religion but one. And that sort of thing happens far too regularly with that one. Salman Rushdie is a human being. The Charlie Hebdo victims were human beings. That's not even getting into the female genital mutilation and other sorts of woman and girl (and young boy) abuse that run rampant through that religion. These victims are human beings, too.

Don't mistake me. As a purely theoretical/theological stance, Islam in and of itself isn't measurably better or worse than most other religions. But there are far too many extremists in that mix. And even measuring extremists against extremists Islamic extremists put most other extremists to shame.

A guy burning the sacred text of another religion, or even the fucking Westborough Baptist Church and their homophobic protests at military burials, has nothing on a family that has their own kid drug out into the wilderness to have her clitoris scraped off with the sharp edge of a piece of broken clay pot or someone who beheads a fucking teacher for showing his class some cartoons. And the second group of extremists outnumbers the first.

That doesn't mean that non-extremist Muslims are responsible for the actions of the extremists (and the non-extremists are still in the majority; I teach my share of Muslim students and the ones I know well are horrified by this sort of bullshit). It is only proper to draw the distinction between the two and make sure that good people aren't being maligned for the actions of violent sociopathic fanatics. But I feel like that project needs to be undertaken with care so as to avoid providing cover for horrible people in a way that actually ends up lumping them in with moderate religious adherents, which is what I think your comment above suggesting that being religious precludes one from condemning religious extremism, and this comment below about what it means to take your religion "seriously," might be taken to do:



To sum up, you're in a thread about a man who was stabbed in the arm and the neck and the eye and the liver for writing a book.

You’re entire post shows that you’re basically attributing every bad thing that happens in the Muslim world to Islam, with that kind of warped standard of course you’d think islam is uniquely bad. FGM isn’t a Muslim thing, this has been debunked more times than I can count. Plenty of Christian countries do FGM and plenty of Muslim countries don’t. There is no specific injunction in islam to do FGM, and almost all anti-FGM campaigns currently happening in the Muslim world are utilizing Islamic religious scholars to stop the practice and educate the populace that it has nothing to do with Islam. Secondly, you point about boys getting abused, this is hilarious considering that the Catholic Church has been covering up child rape for centuries, but this is almost never attributed to Christianity. Westerners can see nuance when it comes to Christianity but all nuance flies out the window with Islam.