International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V12

[Rod1]

I don't think he was told that or that the goal was to ever take the whole country. I always said from the start, I thought their plan was to take the Eastern land bridge to crimea, and then dig in to hold it.

I think that was a bit harder than they thought, but eventually took it, then dug in, built trenches, mine fields, set up artillery, etc. and are now holding it as Ukraine throws what they can at it.

The goal was to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine, whatever the second shit means the first one was a massive failure as Ukraine is more militarized than ever.

Also they aren't holding the landbridge very well with Ukraine being able to hit anywhere and they destroying the dam.

Russia was in a better position before the war than after.

 

[Rod1]

fair enough, I just don’t see how they could think to hold a country that large with a lot of the western half of the country being anti Russian.

The way Stalin did, by murdering and repressing people.

Would be clear over extension, especially with what would be heavy urban combat with insurgents.

Chechnya is pacified, they would just level everything to the ground if needed.

Regardless, yea, the counter offensive is a disaster

Member when people said Kherson city counter-offensive was a disaster and that Ukraine would not be able to take it without major losses? i member.

Ukraine counter-offensive only way of failing is if the West stops supplying missiles for HIMARS but so far it seems its the opposite not only are HIMARS still working, Ukraine now got cruise missiles to strike even deeper.

 

[Khabibs Tiramisu]

Who do you think is winning the war @Cole train? You are the one I trust for unbiased sherdog war analysis

 

[Rholk]

 

[C-UNiT]

The goal was to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine, whatever the second shit means the first one was a massive failure as Ukraine is more militarized than ever.

Also they aren't holding the landbridge very well with Ukraine being able to hit anywhere and they destroying the dam.

Russia was in a better position before the war than after.

I am not sure. I think you need to look at the bigger picture. Not dealing with the further expansion of NATO and the genocide of ethnic Russians would eventually lead to a far worse position. And then you look at the economic impact of the sanctions - ironically - on Europe and it's much harder to claim that they are in a worse position overall.

 

[Rholk]

I am not sure. I think you need to look at the bigger picture. Not dealing with the further expansion of NATO and the genocide of ethnic Russians would eventually lead to a far worse position. And then you look at the economic impact of the sanctions - ironically - on Europe and it's much harder to claim that they are in a worse position overall.

The only thing genociding Russians is wodka.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

I totally agree that there was never any way they’d hold it, but I think they wanted to emulate the initial US shock and awe and takeover of Iraq.

They must have known that though and if they were to take Kiev and then lose it a few days or weeks later, it would look awful. I still believe the whole point was to secure the East where there is a lot of wheat and other resources are and connecting that to crimea for the water access.

That is what China wants anyways, the resources in that region and for the US/west to dump their ammunition stockpiles.

 

[Rholk]

So it seems like they're cracking down on pregozhin for his call to "mutiny"
With the FSB and other internal forces beeing activated
Edit:

 

[C-UNiT]

The only thing genociding Russians is wodka.

classy

I moved here last December. I am English. I moved from the UK although I have lived in Italy, Mexico, Germany, Ukraine, and Panama as well. The stereo types we have been fed about Russia are hilarious but just don't hold up.

But you carry on.

 

[Rholk]

classy

I moved here last December. I am English. I moved from the UK although I have lived in Italy, Mexico, Germany, Ukraine, and Panama as well. The stereo types we have been fed about Russia are hilarious but just don't hold up.

But you carry on.

I'm sure the claim of the ethnic Russian beeing genocided holds up just fine tho.

 

[Rational Poster]

They must have known that though and if they were to take Kiev and then lose it a few days or weeks later, it would look awful. I still believe the whole point was to secure the East where there is a lot of wheat and other resources are and connecting that to crimea for the water access.

That is what China wants anyways, the resources in that region and for the US/west to dump their ammunition stockpiles.

I mean this is a pretty fucking dumb to still think considering what we know now. Almost the entire invasion force attempted to encircle Kyiv, hundreds of KM from this land bridge to Crimea.

You know what looks ever worse for Russia than taking and losing Kyiv? Failing to even take it in the first place and then getting slaughtered for months after.

 

[C-UNiT]

I'm sure the claim of the ethnic Russian beeing genocided holds up just fine tho.

Sadly, yes.

But you believe the stereo types of Russians fed to you in Western media and films so I am not expecting you to have much of a grasp on reality.

 

[Rod1]

I am not sure. I think you need to look at the bigger picture. Not dealing with the further expansion of NATO and the genocide of ethnic Russians would eventually lead to a far worse position.

But NATO has expanded, 2 more countries are in NATO today than before the war.

Also Ukraine is now being supplied tons of weapons by NATO.

And then you look at the economic impact of the sanctions - ironically - on Europe and it's much harder to claim that they are in a worse position overall.

EU GDP grew by 3.5% in 2022
Russia GDP fell -2.7% in 2022.

Russian gas exports are also on the low and they have lots tons or equipment and manpower in the war.

 

[Rational Poster]

Sadly, yes.

But you believe the stereo types of Russians fed to you in Western media and films so I am not expecting you to have much of a grasp on reality.

I mean Russia's own data on the topic contradicts your anecdote.

They have one of the highest rates of alcoholism in the developed world and one of the lowest life expectancies especially for males. The rate of alcohol consumption can be directly tied to their life expectancy.

The rate of fetal alcohol syndrome in Russia is like 800-1000% higher than America. Up to 30% of all Russian children have suffered from some degree of FAS.

Also, US has roughly 140,000 alcohol related deaths per year. Russia has over 200,000 with less than half the population.

 

[Rholk]

Sadly, yes.

But you believe the stereo types of Russians fed to you in Western media and films so I am not expecting you to have much of a grasp on reality.

Did you manage to get a good look at the concentration camps in Ukraine?

 

[C-UNiT]

But NATO has expanded, 2 more countries are in NATO today than before the war.

Also Ukraine is now being supplied tons of weapons by NATO.



EU GDP grew by 3.5% in 2022
Russia GDP fell -2.7% in 2022.

Russian gas exports are also on the low and they have lots tons or equipment and manpower in the war.

Distribution of wealth is a bitch. GDP is not the best indicator. What I can tell you is this. I can't speak for all of the EU. But as I lived in Italy for 4 years I have a lot of colleagues there and I moved from the UK to Russia last December. So I can share what I have witnessed first hand and through colleagues in Italy who have relayed to me the impact there. No MSM and no echo champers on the internet.

 

[Rholk]

Mind you, all of this is dubious as hell, probably tons of fake stuff making the rounds right now

 

[Cole train]

Who do you think is winning the war @Cole train? You are the one I trust for unbiased sherdog war analysis

No clue, sorry lol

Result of this counteroffensive will show

 

[C-UNiT]

I mean Russia's own data on the topic contradicts your anecdote.

They have one of the highest rates of alcoholism in the developed world and one of the lowest life expectancies especially for males. The rate of alcohol consumption can be directly tied to their life expectancy.

The rate of fetal alcohol syndrome in Russia is like 800-1000% higher than America.

Coming from the UK with rampant alcoholism, substance abuse, mental health issues and homelessness, Russia is a blessing. They do not have the social issues that the UK has yet the West keep acting like Russia is stuck in the 90s still.

In the end, people believe what they want to believe.

My neighbour is from the US. We often pop in to each other's homes for a coffee and a chat. Every chat reveals that we recieved the same lies and propaganda even though we grew up in different countries. You don't learn that without actually living the experience yourself.

Anyway, you carry on. What you choose to believe is of no consequence to me.

 

[Rational Poster]

Coming from the UK with rampant alcoholism, substance abuse, mental health issues and homelessness, Russia is a blessing. They do not have the social issues that the UK has yet the West keep acting like Russia is stuck in the 90s still.

In the end, people believe what they want to believe.

My neighbour is from the US. We often pop in to each other's homes for a coffee and a chat. Every chat reveals that we recieved the same lies and propaganda even though we grew up in different countries. You don't learn that without actually living the experience yourself.

Anyway, you carry on. What you choose to believe is of no consequence to me.

(This is Russians own data lmao)