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Discussion in 'Strength & Conditioning Discussion' started by Chris Kimmerly, Mar 25, 2008.

  1. Chris Kimmerly

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    translate at all or at most very very little to combat. I can go full out in the ring or on the mat in training and competition work the bag and pads at top speed all day but when it comes to going for a 1mile run I look and feel like I am about to drop dead.
     
  2. TGR74

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    they both provide cardio but the mechanics are different and that is why it does not translate so well technique wise.

    I do bet if you could get up to a five mile run though you wouls see some gains in your overall athletic performance.
     
  3. Tre5sev

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    I definately do agree, I find other ways of conditioning for the most part. But I am going to begin running again in the mornings for the hell of it.
     
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    Learn to run; It's not that hard. And like TGR74 said, improving your cardio would improve your performance :icon_neut
     
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    to further what crazi said about learning to run...it seems obvious how to put one foot in front of the other faster and faster but youtube some running videos and you can learn better form that will make you faster as well as prevent injuries.
     
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    Hey totally OT but I like your sig.
     
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    Just out of curiosity what pace are you doing the 1-mile run at?
     
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    Not all running is created equal. If you have access to a track try sprinting shorter distances (100 meters or so) and limiting your rest between intervals.

    If you don't have access to a track and have some hills nearby (grass or street), run up the hill many times. Again, limiting rest. If it is a grass hill some cross country spikes or cleats might help.l

    Many of us are taught how to sprint and run properly through high school athletics. There is technique, just like punching and kicking. Pretty basic though, just try and research a little. And warm up/stretch.

    Is it the same as fighting, no. Will it help you build endurance and explosion, very much so.

    Of course, this should supplement your normal training. Running sprints and hills won't help your technique, just your gas tank.

    Jogging a mile prolly won't do much for you.
     
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    I've found that runnin' is usually not my thing, but if I've been doin' rounds on the rowin' machine, burpees, technique drills (done hard) a lot, it improves my runnin' moreso than vice versa...
     
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    I just think running is outdated I think I can get my cardio doing burpeesand other things I think I would benefit from 3x5 minute rounds of burpees as opposed to 15 minutes of running as far as carryover to MMA.

    However I may need to try and incorporate i've only ran once in the 6 months i've been training but I would still say im in good shape.
     
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    And going from here my brother boxes and that is what he does for fitness and pretty much nothing else. He does 15 rounds on the heavy bag at 1 minute on one minute off alteast 5 days a week. He pounds the hell of that bag and moves so slick and just keeps going.

    He can probably barely jog a mile though simply because it would probably hurt his knees.

    His heart has the ability to pump the blood but his legs are not conditioned to utilize the oxygen debt that would be placed on them.

    But if I tried one of his heavy bag workouts at his pace I would not complete it and would probably barely get past a few rounds without having to just peck at the bag.

    Conditioning is sport specific. He doesn't need running to get good at boxing but if he trained to run consistently ( that is the key consistency) then I believe he would be able to increase his overall boxing pace as well as leg strength that would also increase his punching power and stamina.

    As it stand he has great boxing cardio. As it stand he could also benefit greatly by training complimentary muscles and energy systems that are not pushed to their optimum during boxing that would be pushed hard during running or say jump roping which in turn increases his over all ability.
     
  12. Graver

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    Diversity is an athelete's best friend.

    Running helps ANY athelete regardless of sport.

    Mix it up:

    LSD
    Sprints
    HIIT
    Hills
    Bleachers
    etc
     
  13. Ian Coe

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    I would have to say saying any one tool (with such a sweeping generalisation) is useless is a foolish thing to say.

    Doing some 3-5 milers at a decent pace (sub 6 min 30 a mile) will greatly increase your boxing/stand up ability.

    Stick with it/learn to run
     
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    QFT. Running LSD distance makes you good at running LSD. Hill intervals make you good at hill intervals. The intervals have some good training effects and is a great mental conditioner but in the end there is no sprinting in the ring.

    There are several posts here saying that Kimmerly would do better if he "ran right" yet Kimmerly clearly says in his post his conditioning is working for him w/o the runnning.
     
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    Out of interest (and it can be taken with any constant exercise), would you not say running at a high pace for say 30 minutes wouldn't have a significant carry over to his sparring (work rate)?
    I find the ability to measure increases in running (increase distance in set time, more intervals, less rest etc) a easier way to push myself and guage change then how it goes on the pads (that could just be me though).


    I actually, now you mention it, like the mental determination associated with running. I remember reading people who start running become more mentally strong and independant.
     
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    I ran all last spring, summer and fall but hardly at all this past winter and my conditioning is at it's best point yet. I'm going back to hill sprinting again this spring but more for the fact I have to balance my upper and lower body work to prevent joint problems than because it directly bennfits my mat performance.
     
  17. Ian Coe

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    It sounds like you're top heavy (I'm not saying it in a bad way, just thats the impression you give).

    Like I said before, running is a tool (one of many) and if properly implimented it is very useful, but that goes that same for any tool.
     
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    BJJ. Actually my legs are my strongest body part.
     
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    Do you do a lot of upper body work compared to lower body work (from your post about upper and lower body work needs balancing out).
     
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