Rickson states that competition BJJ

[teamcarvalho]

I can tell you personally that some of the old school guys don't care all that much about your comp record.
My instructor has been a purple under Relson forever. He's won silver at the Pan Ams as a blue and won Hawaii state championships a couple of times.
He quit training gi for a while and Relson was not happy.
He told him, "... I don't care what championships you win or lose, my job is to make sure you are never beaten in a street fight..." (I'm paraphrasing of course)

And that is how he promotes and he won't promote unless you learn this practical part of Jiu Jitsu. My instructor is living proof. I have seen him tap out black belts. But I don't think he ever really cared that much about the promotions. Now that he is an instructor, he sees the importance of the belt as credential for an instructor, so he has dusted off the gi and been working the combatives stuff with a few of us and the rumor is he should be up for the brown soon.

Now I know this sort of opens up a whole new can of worms that I don't want to get started on... the whole ordeal of prospective students who are uneducated on the politics of BJJ belts and see a black belt as a black belt and a purple belt as a purple belt, even though the purple may be more skilled, he gets less respect from the noobs.
But the point I wanted to make was that there are still instructors out there who aren't just sport focused, and I take solace in knowing my instructor is one of them. Sure I have fun rolling, but I still want to learn the practicality as well. Cause that is the origin of the art, and it should be remembered, even if not emphasized.

Nice......like I tell my guys, you don't walk around with medals and your belt out in town to impress people.......and even if you did some people won't give a shit.....they will still try to smash your face in.....so you better know how to fight!

 

[J Sho]

BJJ can be done for many reasons, MMA, sport, fitness, socialising, self defence and whilst BJJ as a whole comprises several different compenents, people make a conciosu choice as to what they do. I only train "sports BJJ", i have no interest in vale tudo and i have no interest in self defence.

Rickson's opinion is, of course, more informed than mine, but i don't particularly care about the other 70%, that's not to say i don't acknowledge it or that many people enjoy it.

 

[Rws177die]

I'm glad to hear him say that. Some like to compete and others just enjoy trainning and the comradory they obtain in the gym.

 

[Hades666]

No, I don't think so. What I do think is that is the Gracie's way of selling their "self defense" BJJ.
If you watch the video of the Royler & Rickson demonstration at Pride, their knife/stick/gun defense looked like strip mall mcdojo stuff.

a whitebelt, im assumin, telling rickson he is wrong on topic about bjj, keep on trollin, rickson makes money off seminars not the combatives, not to mention his minor work in film and stuff like ea mma, rickson does not need to sell bjj, it sells itself

 

[dataws6]

I totally agree with the 30%.
I feel to be a master of a martial art you have to have 3 things:
1: Skill
2: Knowledge of the system
3: The ability to teach it to anyone (IE: if your 250 pounds you should be able to teach someone 115 pounds how to apply a technique correctly)
The other 10% could be dedication and continued support for your particular martial art.

 

[Hades666]

BJJ can be done for many reasons, MMA, sport, fitness, socialising, self defence and whilst BJJ as a whole comprises several different compenents, people make a conciosu choice as to what they do. I only train "sports BJJ", i have no interest in vale tudo and i have no interest in self defence.

Rickson's opinion is, of course, more informed than mine, but i don't particularly care about the other 70%, that's not to say i don't acknowledge it or that many people enjoy it.

great answer instead of spoutin out that rickson is a fool like some trolls on here

rickson has seminars all the time and rolls with anyone, balckbelts and all, that want to roll with him and have u ever heard of someone getting the better of him?

 

[lts5025]

Imagine someone found an interview with Yamashita saying that competition was only 30% of judo, and that Kano intended judo to be primarily a method of self-defense rather than a sport.

How would judoka react?

 

[Higher Learning]

my opinion pretty mush mirrors j-sho's... although i am beginnning to train MMA with a view to have a fight in a few years or so

 

[TigerArm]

Imagine someone found an interview with Yamashita saying that competition was only 30% of judo, and that Kano intended judo to be primarily a method of self-defense rather than a sport.

How would judoka react?

There is more to judo than just competition. Forms, self defense techniques, even some weapon disarms and such. Kano definitely wanted a sport but also wanted to preserve the dying combat art of Jujutsu within Judo. People have obviously slammed the shit out of muggers with Judo before.

Sounds to me like Rickson just thinks BJJ'ers should learn some basic striking/clinch defense and how to protect yourself from GNP. I don't see whats so inflammatory about that.

 

[BakedBrotato]

The other 70%? Inflating your record.

 

[lechien]

great answer instead of spoutin out that rickson is a fool like some trolls on here

rickson has seminars all the time and rolls with anyone, balckbelts and all, that want to roll with him and have u ever heard of someone getting the better of him?

Did you actually understood that Jsho does NOT care about the 70% of Rickson claims to be true JJ?

He just wants the 30% which is strictly sport JJ.

Also, can you confirm that Rickson rolls with anyone at seminars?

 

[bnosam]

Did you actually understood that Jsho does NOT care about the 70% of Rickson claims to be true JJ?

He just wants the 30% which is strictly sport JJ.

Also, can you confirm that Rickson rolls with anyone at seminars?

I've read that he does many times on this forum and other grappling forums.

 

[lechien]

I've read that he does many times on this forum and other grappling forums.

Funny that! I never read anything about it. always read about some famous JJ guys mentionning that he is the best. but never once read about he rolls with everyone at the seminars.

 

[Nickynoneck]

Everything i seen from "self defense " bjj is in judo self defense kata . I love sport bjj but the self defense stuff is kata which really is what bjj prides there self on not doing right ??

 

[bnosam]

Funny that! I never read anything about it. always read about some famous JJ guys mentionning that he is the best. but never once read about he rolls with everyone at the seminars.

Not everyone, but everyone he can that time will allow at the end of the seminar. I can't remember who posted it but they said he started borrowing people during the seminar to demonstrate techniques on so some people wouldn't be disappointed if they couldn't roll with him due to time constraints at the end of the seminar.

 

[lechien]

So a participant asked his opinion on sport Jiu-Jitsu. “Competition Jiu-Jitsu represents only 30% of real Jiu-Jitsu. Without the other 70%, which includes standup self-defense, defensive striking and clinching skills and an efficient vale-tudo guard, practitioners cannot develop the confidence to walk the streets knowing that they can survive a possible confrontation.”

 

[lechien]

Not everyone, but everyone he can that time will allow at the end of the seminar. I can't remember who posted it but they said he started borrowing people during the seminar to demonstrate techniques on so some people wouldn't be disappointed if they couldn't roll with him due to time constraints at the end of the seminar.

My fault!

I made a mistake as I was quoting Hades69 that said that Rickson rolls with anyone at his seminars.

 

[bnosam]

My fault!

I made a mistake as I was quoting Hades69 that said that Rickson rolls with anyone at his seminars.

I think there may be more info on Rickson's seminars and him rolling with everyone that he has time to in the Rickson FAQ thread if you dare wade through it.

 

[lechien]

I think there may be more info on Rickson's seminars and him rolling with everyone that he has time to in the Rickson FAQ thread if you dare wade through it.

You know what! I am gonna give up on that idea.

He is charging at least $200 per person for a seminar. leave at that.

 

[Kalma]

it's funny how some people talk shit about TMA being useless and ineffective in a real fight but get all defensive and dismissive when the whole issue of not training BJJ for self-defence comes up.

Aint this the truth.

I also love it when the same people dismiss TMA's but list their teachers lineage so they prove they are part of a 'purer lineage'.

Well if you look at a MA lineage, correct me if Im wrong , but you'll se that BJJ comes from Judo which comes from traditional JJ. Again correct me if Im wrong but isnt traditional JJ a TMA ?

If you think BJJ is just a sport no doubt that's ignorance. However if you acknowledge the fact BJJ has other aspects but choose only to focus on the sport side of it I dont see what the issue is.


Overall though I believe if you particpate in a MA, no matter what your reasons (sport, self defence, fitness, etc) you need to be acknowledge that it's a MA and at the end of the day MA were tested on the battlefield. Only the winners story can go in the history books cause they have earnt the bragging rights.

sorry what was the topic again, Im just having a rant.