Remember when frank mir said heavyweight sucks?

[HHJ]

NO ONE was saying this in mid 2000s

its only the new batch of scum casuals saying its always been shitty.

 

[C0NCH3TO]

If hw is so dreadful, we will witness almighty Jon pummeling everybody at heavyweight....

 

[Fesaine]

NO ONE was saying this in mid 2000s

its only the new batch of scum casuals saying its always been shitty.

MMA was barely a thing back in mid 2000s. The talents pool was so small back then that it made the heavyweight division look good.

MMA has grown and evolved leaps and bounds since the pride and the early ufc era.

 

[HHJ]

MMA was barely a thing back in mid 2000s. The talents pool was so small back then that it made the heavyweight division look good.

MMA has grown and evolved leaps and bounds since the pride and the early ufc era.

Barely a thing to casuals like yourself.

 

[acannxr]

Guys like Fedor, Cro cop and Big nog are not better than Curtis blaydes, Ngannou, Cormier, Rozenstruik, and Stipe.

Weird, I didn't mention any one of them.

 

[A.S. Deep]

Ngannou would kill 99% of the roster and all he can do is throw a decent left uppercut. if HWs suck, what does that say about the rest of the UFC when 1 HW would destroy the entire company and his only really skill is throwing left punches?

That at a certain point, sheer power and strength overcome nearly any amount of skill.

The limiting factor for all fighters really is their chin if you think about it. Anyone can be KOed, and power increases with size much faster than chin does. At a certain point, it really does seem that everyone could KO each other with jabs lol. Just look at Greg Hardy's last KO win haha.

This is why the lack of wrestling at HW always made sense to me. Imagine a HW version of Khabib trying to pressure like it's LW. They'd be getting KOed left and right.

 

[KillerIsBack V2]

no what sucks is having filler fights like WMMA

You mean... If we forced you to pick between watching You'd rather watch :
Chase Sherman vs Justin Willis
over
Zhang vs Joanna or Nunez vs Cyborg or any ronda rousy fight ever

Go ahead, lie to my face...

a guy like Jairzinho Rozenstruik is in teh top 5... JDS's worm infested corpse is still in the top ten still now!

If they gave you a choice to keep the HW division or all of WMMA rn, what would you pick? the first means you like big men, the second means you like women. choose wisely.

 

[Ridgeback]

You must be obese, don't worry you can't beat any of the lighter fighters they would turn you into hamburger meat. You like to associate your fatness with you being able to fight I know.

What's the matter, couldn't make the football team? LMFAO, we still need waterboys.

 

[TR1]

It used to be good, it just stopped evolving and attracting talent after the late 2000s.

People get confused when they see the manlets scurrying about, weighing 10 pounds and spazzing around doesn't make you technical or super duper skilled.

 

[Travis Alexander]

And yet even an animal not on top of the food chain can turn all heavyweights and the rest of the roster below into burger meat.
I rather watch two unskilled polar bears fight than humans.

Ubereem turned horses into hamburger meat.

Spoiler

 

[Final Say]

The real truth is athletes of that size who have athletic ability are making real money in other sports rather than getting their brains bashed in for peanuts.

That’s false, most big guys don’t play sports and the ones that do don’t make it as a professional. They just never wanted to or tried to fight

 

[Final Say]

Early/Mid 2000s HW was stacked with talent. Some of the best wrestlers, strikers and grapplers of ALL TIME in MMA. Olympic wrestlers, world champion BJJ artists & kickboxers

Well that’s simply not true. It’s all relative. The best grapplers and strikers in heavyweight history aren’t as good as the best in small weight classes today, that’s silly.

At the time and for the weight, there were definitely great talents though

 

[GIBLERTBAPTISTA]

Well that’s simply not true. It’s all relative. The best grapplers and strikers in heavyweight history aren’t as good as the best in small weight classes today, that’s silly.

At the time and for the weight, there were definitely great talents though

Whats silly about it

Werdum and Nog can easily be argued as 2 of the best grapplers in MMA history if not the best. Hunt and Crocop as 2 of the best strikers. In terms of pure wrestling, Coleman, Randleman and Randy.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

That at a certain point, sheer power and strength overcome nearly any amount of skill.

The limiting factor for all fighters really is their chin if you think about it. Anyone can be KOed, and power increases with size much faster than chin does. At a certain point, it really does seem that everyone could KO each other with jabs lol. Just look at Greg Hardy's last KO win haha.

This is why the lack of wrestling at HW always made sense to me. Imagine a HW version of Khabib trying to pressure like it's LW. They'd be getting KOed left and right.

well i mean, HW did have Cain Velasquez and he pressured probably more than Khabib, at least on the feet. but i get your point, he also did walk into a lot of big shots.

i think people are overrating skills. all these guys that are lower weight classes, their skills only really work against someone of comparable size. Khabib couldn't do what he does to someone like Usman, and that's just a single weight class above his. even if you believe he'd beat Usman nobody truly believes he'd make it look easy like he does at LW. Max couldn't do what he did at 145lb against Poirer just 1 weight class up either.

i think if they really want to talk skills they should have open weight fights. BJ proved a lot by fighting way above his weight. he proved how far skills and natural talent can take you even if you're at a size/strength disadvantage.

to me, HW division is always the top billing because at HW everything is stripped down to the bare necessities. you find out what is really the most important factors in fighting, and it's not really skill. it's more about power, chin, heart, cardio, and fight IQ. we've seen fighters win with all of those things at HW. Ngannou with power, Big Nog with chin and heart, Cain with cardio, and Fedor with fight IQ.

 

[blaseblah]

And yet even a fringe TOP 10 HW can turn the rest of the roster MW and below into burger meat. I rather watch two unskilled polar bears fight than turbo manlets or WMMA.

You'd watch the polar bears fight because it's a novelty that doesn't get televisioned every week. I bet if there was a polar bear league you'd get bored and watch mma instead.

 

[mjfan23]

He’s completely right

 

[Regal Boy]

Every weightclass brings something unique to the table, I just watch them all.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Guys like Fedor, Cro cop and Big nog are not better than Curtis blaydes, Ngannou, Cormier, Rozenstruik, and Stipe.

You're a gem little one.

 

[Aurelian]

Guys like Fedor, Cro cop and Big nog are not better than Curtis blaydes, Ngannou, Cormier, Rozenstruik, and Stipe.

I'll give you Cormier and Stipe but Ngannou, Blaydes, and Roz?

 

[SammyG420]

And yet even a fringe TOP 10 HW can turn the rest of the roster MW and below into burger meat. I rather watch two unskilled polar bears fight than turbo manlets or WMMA.

Manhoef ko'd Hunt, Hendo ko'd Fedor