QUIT Making up names for moves!!

funny to mention the name thing, my instructor showed us the other day some new crazy submission and some of the newer guys were like Oh that's like the so and so scorpion death lock etc etc, he said I don't know the stupid name but sure that sounds fine :icon_chee his BB under Pedro and hes kind of old school possibly its a new age thing coming up with names for every infinite position
 
It's confusing, is what it is. Everyone wants a piece of immortality in having names a technique - even if really obscure but how often are you going to get "Rastafarian Goat Hammer? Oooooh - you mean an inverted triangle" Well - OK, not often ... but it seems silly to have too many names for the same darn technique - or names for obscure techniques that are just variations of a standard technique - just from a different position.

I've decided to get in on the action. A Flying Gidoplata .. (like a flying omoplata but you miss and end up kicking him in the ear and he has to go get some ice....) ....
 
fiftysvn said:
It's like the bjj version of Godwin's Law.

Anyway, I won't join the bandwagon here and say that I hate these funky names. If it helps some people, good for them. I'm just glad that where I train, there's nothing crazy going on in terms of names.

One of my instructors was amused one time when he was demonstrating a move and somebody was like "oh that's the darce right?" or something to that effect. He gave him the "wtf is that?" look but then he said "ooohh yeah, some people call it that. In Brazil, everything's just a choke."
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Same in China here. In my judo class, chokes are just chokes. I asked what the name of a couple of chokes were, and he just said he didn't know, it was just a choke.

But the names do help me remember which position the choke was in and how I do it with a name attached to it.

Now, for BJJ, I've got names for what I learn, and I can think a lot more clearly about the things I want to do when I roll when I have a name attached to a movement, like a scissor sweep for example.
 
All moves/positions should be named after Metallica songs.

100 Kilos - Trapped Under Ice
Rear Naked Choke - Enter Sandman
Triangle Choke - Fade To Black
Knee On Belly - Ride The Lightning
Sweep while mounted - Don't Tread On Me
 
All In The Game said:
All moves/positions should be named after Metallica songs.

100 Kilos - Trapped Under Ice
Rear Naked Choke - Enter Sandman
Triangle Choke - Fade To Black
Knee On Belly - Ride The Lightning
Sweep while mounted - Don't Tread On Me
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Inside Closed Guard - Loverman
 
FYI Hillary, the tradition of giving outlandish names to techniques comes from professional wrestling. If you think it's bad in BJJ and MMA, then just watch WWE, you'll see shit like a texas cloverleaf sharpshooter off a boston crab as a counter to a sweet chin music. Or a bridging cobra clutch to a tonga death grip into a stepover toehold facelock (STF) or a Portuguese Princess Ariel. :icon_neut
 
redaxe said:
FYI Hillary, the tradition of giving outlandish names to techniques comes from professional wrestling. If you think it's bad in BJJ and MMA, then just watch WWE, you'll see shit like a texas cloverleaf sharpshooter off a boston crab as a counter to a sweet chin music. Or a bridging cobra clutch to a tonga death grip into a stepover toehold facelock (STF) or a Portuguese Princess Ariel. :icon_neut
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Dude...why you gotta bring Dean Malenko into this? He's the original Iceman, you know.
 
I barely know difference between an Americana, Key lock, or Kimura.

I could demonstrate each of them and I could memorize each name if I needed to. I prefer to just apply the concepts.

btw...I don't know anybody at my gym that make up names for moves. So, I don't see it as an issue. I don't see too many thread topics on new names for moves. However, some individuals have made serious contributions to the development of jiu jitsu.

ie.. De La, Riva Marcello

I am totally fine with using their names to explain their concepts.

wait,,, I forgot...Dave Terrell made a move up called the "Pez Dispenser." Brutal...

There's probably more. I joke around with names to be funny. I jokingly call my overhook sequence "The Overhook of Death." I also have a good "Mount From Hell".

I think I would get some hits on Youtube if I showed these concepts.
 
I was always under the impression that new names were generally just a new set up to an old submission. I think the names help SOME people, especially newbies, remember that from position "a" you transition to submission "b" with the mutant crack baby but if you are in position "c" you transition to that same submission "b" with white trash mama. Everybody learns differently, names probably help some people but do nothing for others.

The question then becomes how do the majority of people learn BJJ better? Then even deeper than that, does the cultural differences from a place like Brazil to a place like the United States cause people to learn differently? Thus, causing the need to teach BJJ differently in the two countries.
 
Hillary said:
No.
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WWE...

When I was a kid I loved watching wrestling with my Grandpa. It was a great bonding moment for us. Cheese Whiz, Ritz Crackers, and Hulk Hogan...Good times...

As I grew older my interest in fake wrestling waned, but not interest in grappling. I used to tell people that BJJ was like the WWF but real.

I respect your opinion. It seems you're really passionate. "Quit making up names for moves." Sounds like you are pissed. I don't see it as a big deal.

btw...A guy by the name of Batista is now training with us. I guess he is like a big deal in the WWE. He's a monster. I just met him today. We'll see how he does.
 
Cash Bill 52 said:
I barely know difference between an Americana, Key lock, or Kimura.

I could demonstrate each of them and I could memorize each name if I needed to. I prefer to just apply the concepts.

btw...I don't know anybody at my gym that make up names for moves. So, I don't see it as an issue. I don't see too many thread topics on new names for moves. However, some individuals have made serious contributions to the development of jiu jitsu.

ie.. De La, Riva Marcello

I am totally fine with using their names to explain their concepts.

wait,,, I forgot...Dave Terrell made a move up called the "Pez Dispenser." Brutal...

There's probably more. I joke around with names to be funny. I jokingly call my overhook sequence "The Overhook of Death." I also have a good "Mount From Hell".

I think I would get some hits on Youtube if I showed these concepts.
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Yeah I have a secret alternative to the Kimura known as the Doomura, but only I can do it and understand the difference, whatever.
 
Hillary said:
Guys, I'm totally cereal here.

Every thread I look on, guys are talking about the "double-twisted-back-smasher" or the "crackwhore" or the "riding it bare" new move, and subsequently posting videos of it on youtube. I had some guy on the UG today try to tell me that a triangle with the leg in is called a unicorn. Really? A fucking unicorn?

Stop it. It's fucking ridiculous for one, makes the sport look even more gay, and it's hindering your jiu jitsu. Okay, the last one is a stretch, but let me explain myself. Here, in the US, we're more accustomed to the abrupt, explosive wrestling style and we've grown to name everything we do. The couple of times I've rolled with F.O.B. Brazilians or down in Brazil, no one has names for shit. You just roll. Anything that straightens out the arm is an armbar--regardless of position, invertedness or no, etc. Chokes are just chokes. I'm overgeneralizing here a wee bit but you get my point. It's much more simplified.

And you can see the reflections in their game. We're all taught that there's a significant difference in knowing a technique and UNDERSTANDING it. The way we try so hard for this new move we see on youtube, shoot to the next one, etc., we're not FEELING jiu jitsu. Roll, flow to and from positions, and take what comes at you--don't force it. That's one thing you'll notice most about when you roll with some of the best guys (especially Marcelo and Cobrinha) that they wait for you to give them opportunities rather than try to run you over.

Learn Jiu Jitsu. Don't learn the Purple Nerple Weasel.
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According to Mario Sperry, even the americana is a choke =)
 
redaxe said:
FYI Hillary, the tradition of giving outlandish names to techniques comes from professional wrestling. If you think it's bad in BJJ and MMA, then just watch WWE, you'll see shit like a texas cloverleaf sharpshooter off a boston crab as a counter to a sweet chin music. Or a bridging cobra clutch to a tonga death grip into a stepover toehold facelock (STF) or a Portuguese Princess Ariel. :icon_neut
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I'm having a tough time thinking how would you counter a superkick into a boston crab. Is it about holding the leg, taking the opponent down in a way that he falls flat on the stomach, then applying the cloverleaf? That way, you leave yourself open for the enzuigiri. That's especially dangerous if you have lost your smile.
 
fiftysvn said:
It's like the bjj version of Godwin's Law.

Anyway, I won't join the bandwagon here and say that I hate these funky names. If it helps some people, good for them. I'm just glad that where I train, there's nothing crazy going on in terms of names.

One of my instructors was amused one time when he was demonstrating a move and somebody was like "oh that's the darce right?" or something to that effect. He gave him the "wtf is that?" look but then he said "ooohh yeah, some people call it that. In Brazil, everything's just a choke."
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That's what's so cool about reading Mundial and ADCC results. It's like won by choke, won by armlock, won by leglock, etc.

I think the age of youtube really has people seeing all these moves and wanting to name them and stuff. It's like how everyone with an iTunes account gets to be a DJ nowadays, but with JiuJitsu. Now anyone at any school with a youtube account can name a move and "invent" something.
 
Calibur said:
Oh, so everyone hates names for moves? Half a year ago, everyone on sherdog loved them.

Listen, if you want to talk about jiu jitsu in someway without actually getting up and demonstrating the move, than things will need names for reference. Especially when a move becomes popular.

Are people here really mad that people have a name for a D'arce, and a name for an Anaconda, as opposed to just calling them both "triangle chokes with the appliers upperbody." What about Kimuras and Americanas?

Judo has names for most things, and they do just fine. Hell, wrestling has names for most of the moves they have.

Yeah, it's cool that Brazillians can be good without knowing what anything is called, but if we are going to talk about a technique or refer to one in a match, we need to call it something.

I don't know why this is an issue.
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I could be wrong, but I think Hill was referring more to stuff that is seen everyday and people are calling it The Unicorn, etc. I doubt she was any problem with differentiating between an Anaconda and Darce, or a Kimura and Keylock. I could be wrong though. I read it as two extremes. Some people just wanna name everything, and some people are like, "this is a choke, and this is an armlock."
 
No joke... I actually had this girl I trained with that said her team called the Kimura from North/South the "Alabama Crab Dangle".......

That was taking it too far.
 
Huh, I thought the 'unicorn' guy on the UG was kidding.

Edit: I re-read that thread, he was not, which is both retarded and humorous.
 
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