Prime Fedor Emelianenko vs. Stipe Miocic

[BobbyD963]

the poll will say fedor

the truth is, he has nothing for stipe, even in his prime. cant strike with stipe, cant take him down, cant beat him on the ground even if he gets there.ocre

its an awful match fup for fedor and hed likely be finished in the first 5 minutes.

In the future to spare yourself from humiliation do yourself a favor and go to YouTube right now and watch one, just one Fedor highlight video, I would normally recommend watching one of his fights in its entirety but getting you MMA millennials to stay focused for more than 10 minutes is more difficult then fighting prime Fedor himself.

 

[Final Say]

In the future to spare yourself from humiliation do yourself a favor and go to YouTube right now and watch one, just one Fedor highlight video, I would normally recommend watching one of his fights in its entirety but getting you MMA millennials to stay focused for more than 10 minutes is more difficult then fighting prime Fedor himself.

I'd see just about every single one before fight pass, and now I've seen a lot of the bigger ones a handful of times.

He can't strike with Stipe. Can't take Stipe down, and even if he was successful in taking Stipe down, would almost certainly get controlled by the much larger D1 wrestler

 

[Claude]

He's right though. Why didn't Fedor fight Overeem? They were in the same organization and Alistair was the champion.

For several reasons:

-Scott Coker wanted to build Fedor vs. Overeem. He wanted Fedor to fight the winner of Bigfoot-Werdum.
-Overeem was unranked.
-Overeem's title reign and belt were a joke. He didn't defend his belt in 3 years. Had no title defenses when Fedor signed with SF.
-There were top ranked opponents for Fedor. One of them had already defeated Overeem.
-Overeem ducked Fedor and ran to K-1

etc.

 

[Mark]

The problem isn't who he beat but, who he DUCKED like REEM. The UFC org whereby a 9-12 MW 1 punched him. If he fought the best the UFC had to offer, he would have been trashed before SF.

Thanks for coming.

He beat 4 former UFC HW Champs by either sub or KO: Andrei, Big Tim, Randleman, and Coleman (x2).

Goodnight, Irene.

 

[ejazahmednit]

If he beats Ngannou Black Beast and Cain he might be arguably GOAT HW

 

[Claude]

To think that "prime Fedor" would beat Stipe is to deny that the MMA evolved since Pride days.

You really believe Stipe would let "prime Fedor" armbar him like Coleman or KO him like Heath Herring? Don't be silly.

HW hasn't evolved, it has regressed. It's full of old people, some of them being Pride veterans.

The champion is a very basic striker. Most of his game consists in running forward throwing 1-2's, often leaving his chin exposed, and throwing some right hooks. He's powerful and accurate, but nothing we haven't seen before. He's succeeding over the decline of other fighters who have more fight mileage.

 

[JKS]

Fedor wins this one.

 

[randompunch]

Fedor prospered at a very unique time in MMA. Stipe would never have to fight someone like Choi Hong-man in the UFC. And Fedor was was never in a league that had as such strict testing as the UFC does currently so I think the comparison is nonsensical

 

[Final Say]

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You tried champ, lol.

Why do you think you're proving something with these posts? Of course the people who are posting their reasons why stipe would win are also voting for him in the poll. The two go hand in hand, yet you're acting like you're exposing them by posting these screen shots which are available to everyone? It would be more weird if they posted that they though Fedor would win but voted for Stipe or vice versa.

Genuinely, what's your point with that, what are you trying to get at?

 

[Final Say]

The champion is a very basic striker. Most of his game consists in running forward throwing 1-2's,

absolutely false. He attacks almost exclusively on angles, mixing up his combinations and punching in bunches. His footwork is that of a true boxer, something we don't really see in MMA, and have never seen at heavyweight in mma.

 

[Final Say]

Prime Fedor fought and beat younger versions of Big Nog (x2), Cro-Cop, Coleman (x2), Randleman, Big Tim, Hunt, Schilt, and Arlovski. There is really no comparison with that and who Stipe is beating now (although there is no denying Stipe is a great champion). It's like apples and oranges.

I gotta agree, it is far different, and Stipe has beaten the better guys

 

[BayAreaGuy]

Prime Fedor imo. Too explosive for Stipe I think.

 

[Phi-]

For several reasons:

-Scott Coker wanted to build Fedor vs. Overeem. He wanted Fedor to fight the winner of Bigfoot-Werdum.
-Overeem was unranked.
-Overeem's title reign and belt were a joke. He didn't defend his belt in 3 years. Had no title defenses when Fedor signed with SF.
-There were top ranked opponents for Fedor. One of them had already defeated Overeem.
-Overeem ducked Fedor and ran to K-1

etc.

I don't know, the fact that you have to name so many reasons sure seems fishy.

Your first point is kinda strange as Fedor vs Overeem would've sold itself, there was no need to "build" any fight with Fedor back in the day. Also, Fedor lost to both Werdum and Bigfoot.
So Overeem was unranked and a Champion at the same time... ok, I'll indulge you. But Fedor had no problems fighting the likes of Ogawa or Fujita either instead of higher ranked opposition. So there's that.
Yes, Overeems title reign was a joke, I agree. And because of that Fedor should've pushed for that fight. His fights during that period weren't really against the creme de la creme either.
So Fedor prefered to fight another ranked opponent but not the title-holder because he doesn't care for the belt?
Overeem ducked Fedor? To me it seems the other way around.

HW hasn't evolved, it has regressed. It's full of old people, some of them being Pride veterans.

So you'd say guys like Mark Hunt and Werdum didn't evolve over time? Sorry, but that's just dumb.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

HW hasn't evolved, it has regressed. It's full of old people, some of them being Pride veterans.

The champion is a very basic striker. Most of his game consists in running forward throwing 1-2's, often leaving his chin exposed, and throwing some right hooks. He's powerful and accurate, but nothing we haven't seen before. He's succeeding over the decline of other fighters who have more fight mileage.

The ironic thing is that the divisions which have actually evolved are the ones where the UFC hyped GOATs built there rep, MW and WW today are I think definitely superior to the days of Anderson and GSP.

Stipe is a sound MMA striker and a pretty good wrestler but really I think the way he's won matches tells you a lot, basically he's picking the holes in opponents games. Back in the day Nog and Crocop didn't have an easy hole to pick, Fedor needed to go toe to toe with them in theer strengths for a prolonged period and win.

Also surely a big giveaway is just how much of an unknown Stipe's grappling is? wrestling wise yeah he looks decent but sub grappling theres almost fuck all threat at HW anymore, really just old guys like Werdum and Barnett who don't have the ability to get many people down anymore. Back in the day you had Fedor, Nog, Barnett, younger Werdum, Sergei, etc.

That actually makes a fight with Fedor had to judge grappling wise, striking Stipe is obviously a potential threat to anyone but to me depends too much on backing people up to the cage which would be tough to do with Fedor who would meet him head on and IMHO had both faster hands and much better defence.

 

[toe rag]

This thread should have rightfully been locked after the first reply.

 

[Claude]

absolutely false. He attacks almost exclusively on angles, mixing up his combinations and punching in bunches. His footwork is that of a true boxer, something we don't really see in MMA, and have never seen at heavyweight in mma.

1-2's

Straight punches

1-2

1-2's

1-2's

Right hook spam

Leaving chin completely exposed.

So yeah, very basic striking. Nothing wrong with it since it's working, but let's not pretend he's some kind of evolved fighter doing any complicated stuff.

 

[Claude]

Why do you think you're proving something with these posts? Of course the people who are posting their reasons why stipe would win are also voting for him in the poll. The two go hand in hand, yet you're acting like you're exposing them by posting these screen shots which are available to everyone? It would be more weird if they posted that they though Fedor would win but voted for Stipe or vice versa.

Genuinely, what's your point with that, what are you trying to get at?

I think you need to stop posting in this thread, for your own mental well being.

 

[Claude]

I don't know, the fact that you have to name so many reasons sure seems fishy.

Your first point is kinda strange as Fedor vs Overeem would've sold itself, there was no need to "build" any fight with Fedor back in the day. Those were Scott Coker's words. Not debatable.
Also, Fedor lost to both Werdum and Bigfoot. Irrelevant here.
So Overeem was unranked and a Champion at the same time... ok, I'll indulge you. But Fedor had no problems fighting the likes of Ogawa or Fujita either instead of higher ranked opposition. So there's that. Pride worked differently. Fedor fought Ogawa in a tornament. When Fedor signed with SF he was fighting nothing but top fighters. Overeem would have been his first non top ranked opponent since 2007.
Yes, Overeems title reign was a joke, I agree. And because of that Fedor should've pushed for that fight. His fights during that period weren't really against the creme de la creme either. #4 Sylvia, #2 Arlovski, #2 Barnett (cancelled), #6 Rogers. As I told you, Fedor was only fighting top fighters.
So Fedor prefered to fight another ranked opponent but not the title-holder because he doesn't care for the belt? Top wins are better than irrelevant belts.
Overeem ducked Fedor? To me it seems the other way around. He did. He was offered the fight but ran to K-1.



So you'd say guys like Mark Hunt and Werdum didn't evolve over time? Sorry, but that's just dumb.

I see you suffer from the same disinformation as pretty much all the people claiming Fedor ducked Overeem.

Here are all the facts for you:

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/f...ked-with-nothing-but-cold-hard-facts.3332097/

Cheers.

 

[Final Say]

1-2's

Straight punches

1-2

1-2's

1-2's

Right hook spam

Leaving chin completely exposed.

So yeah, very basic striking. Nothing wrong with it since it's working, but let's not pretend he's some kind of evolved fighter doing any complicated stuff.

Gifs mean absolutely nothing. Nothing. They are out of context snapshots. The fact that you think 3-6 second gifs can support your baseless claims says a lot.

Think about it: you claim he only throws 1-2s and post a couple clips of him throwing 1-2s, thinking it supports your argument. I genuinely hope you see how silly that is.

Do you honestly think Fedor is a better, more technical striker?

 

[Final Say]

I think you need to stop posting in this thread, for your own mental well being.

Yeah, I didn't think so. Just another troll