Prime Fedor Emelianenko vs. Stipe Miocic

[smooth assassin]

all respect to stipe but
fedor wins

 

[Yourstepdad]

Fedor all day

 

[bigbangspiritbomb]

He beat 4 former UFC HW Champs by either sub or KO: Andrei, Big Tim, Randleman, and Coleman (x2).

Goodnight, Irene.

Correction; he beat fighters that UFC no longer wanted like Sylvia.

Fedor went to Afflictions/SF and anywhere but UFC where he could continue can crushing.

AA was lighting up Fedor until he threw the fight jumping into an overhand.

Its ok. A MW punched him out 1 shot.

 

[bigbangspiritbomb]

I don't know, the fact that you have to name so many reasons sure seems fishy.

Your first point is kinda strange as Fedor vs Overeem would've sold itself, there was no need to "build" any fight with Fedor back in the day. Also, Fedor lost to both Werdum and Bigfoot.
So Overeem was unranked and a Champion at the same time... ok, I'll indulge you. But Fedor had no problems fighting the likes of Ogawa or Fujita either instead of higher ranked opposition. So there's that.
Yes, Overeems title reign was a joke, I agree. And because of that Fedor should've pushed for that fight. His fights during that period weren't really against the creme de la creme either.
So Fedor prefered to fight another ranked opponent but not the title-holder because he doesn't care for the belt?
Overeem ducked Fedor? To me it seems the other way around.



So you'd say guys like Mark Hunt and Werdum didn't evolve over time? Sorry, but that's just dumb.

Fedor not only ducked, he ducked twice, and then came the losing streak. fitting end for playing it safe. Bisping will punchout GSP if he dares to show up. Until he enters the octagon, I see him as irrelevant. He wanted no part of Silva. NONE. Now, he is ducking Bisping and making excuses for needing a year so, what 4 years retired? Technically 10 since he was dry humping which is not fight. Fedor is the same. Once a good fighter that went on a can crushing bender. GSP the same only he went on a dry hump tangent. Play it safe ever since tapping to strikes.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Gifs mean absolutely nothing. Nothing. They are out of context snapshots. The fact that you think 3-6 second gifs can support your baseless claims says a lot.

Think about it: you claim he only throws 1-2s and post a couple clips of him throwing 1-2s, thinking it supports your argument. I genuinely hope you see how silly that is.

Do you honestly think Fedor is a better, more technical striker?

Your not talking about a politics debate, how can showing a technique that you claim is used in a fight during a fight be out of context?

I don't want to rubbish Stipe as I think he does have very solid offencive boxing fundamentals and I think this is whats helping him as he's fighting opponents with absolute glaring holes in there games. JDS against the cage is just poor and we've seen it half a dozen times at least now, Overeem looked poor in the same position as well vs Hunt and the way Werdum was caught should be embarrassing to any high level fighter.

That's HW for me today, a lot of guys who do obviously have some very dangerous strengths but almost all of them also have glaring weaknesses and it tends to be paper/scissors/stone who wins accept for Stipe who avoids any massive weakness but has good strengths.

Fedor's striking was obviously technically very different and I think more MMA adapted, lets be honest we've seen a thousand times that MMA gloves make looking shots more effective and he was often very accurate with them. You look at the first fight with JDS for example and Stipe took a lot of shots like that at range.

The big difference for me though would be defence, Stipe's basically standing infront of opponents a lot of the time and really hasn't ever shown great defencive head movement. You actually watch Fedor/Crocop rather than go down the "looping punchs sloppy lol!" path and you'll see that Fedor slips Mirko's left straight about a dozen times, even late in his career he slips almost all of Arlovski's punchs as well. Whats more he generally had excellent timing only throwing when an opponent was committed and it would be harder to counter, helped of coursr by his speed as well.

Personally my view is that HW has dropped off enough that its not guys like Fedor you need to be talking about, maybe not even Nogs and Crocops, its more guys like Sergei and Aleks who I think could be champs today in there late Pride form.

 

[Final Say]

Your not talking about a politics debate, how can showing a technique that you claim is used in a fight during a fight be out of context?

I don't want to rubbish Stipe as I think he does have very solid offencive boxing fundamentals and I think this is whats helping him as he's fighting opponents with absolute glaring holes in there games. JDS against the cage is just poor and we've seen it half a dozen times at least now, Overeem looked poor in the same position as well vs Hunt and the way Werdum was caught should be embarrassing to any high level fighter.

That's HW for me today, a lot of guys who do obviously have some very dangerous strengths but almost all of them also have glaring weaknesses and it tends to be paper/scissors/stone who wins accept for Stipe who avoids any massive weakness but has good strengths.

Fedor's striking was obviously technically very different and I think more MMA adapted, lets be honest we've seen a thousand times that MMA gloves make looking shots more effective and he was often very accurate with them. You look at the first fight with JDS for example and Stipe took a lot of shots like that at range.

The big difference for me though would be defence, Stipe's basically standing infront of opponents a lot of the time and really hasn't ever shown great defencive head movement. You actually watch Fedor/Crocop rather than go down the "looping punchs sloppy lol!" path and you'll see that Fedor slips Mirko's left straight about a dozen times, even late in his career he slips almost all of Arlovski's punchs as well. Whats more he generally had excellent timing only throwing when an opponent was committed and it would be harder to counter, helped of coursr by his speed as well.

Personally my view is that HW has dropped off enough that its not guys like Fedor you need to be talking about, maybe not even Nogs and Crocops, its more guys like Sergei and Aleks who I think could be champs today in there late Pride form.

stipe's defense is underrated, he uses his feet to dictate the pace and range of the fight. hes almost never in danger of being hit. as a boxer, id love to see him keep his hands higher, but its usually not necessary for him. hes always, constantly cutting his opponents evasion off, moving in and out of range, picking his shots. if hes not landing punches, hes not in range. he was noticeably bigger than junior with a longer reach. he is so much bigger than a guy like fedor, he would completely dictate when and where strikes would occur. fedor is not even on the same level as a striker like stipe and wouldnt have more than a puncher's chance at beating him on the feet.

 

[Claude]

Gifs mean absolutely nothing. Nothing. They are out of context snapshots. The fact that you think 3-6 second gifs can support your baseless claims says a lot.

Think about it: you claim he only throws 1-2s and post a couple clips of him throwing 1-2s, thinking it supports your argument. I genuinely hope you see how silly that is.

Do you honestly think Fedor is a better, more technical striker?

Yes they do. They show he's often finishing fighters with very basic combos and that he leaves his chin completely exposed at times. I'm not making anything up here. His striking is effective but nothing extraordinary.

You on the other hand have nothing but baseless claims.

Yeah, I didn't think so. Just another troll

You should stop posting here, seriously. You've made countless of butthurt posts all along this thread, and the poll is still 75%-25%.

Sometimes it's good to accept your defeat and leave.

Cheers.

 

[Concrete Whale]

Fyodor hand trapfirst round KO.

 

[Final Say]

Yes they do. They show he's often finishing fighters with very basic combos and that he leaves his chin completely exposed at times. I'm not making anything up here. His striking is effective but nothing extraordinary.

You on the other hand have nothing but baseless claims.



You should stop posting here, seriously. You've made countless of butthurt posts all along this thread, and the poll is still 75%-25%.

Sometimes it's good to accept your defeat and leave.

Cheers.

you said 'all he does is throw 1-2s' and posted gifs of him throwing 1-2s. that does not constitute a supporting argument, in fact not even close.

what defeat? fedor, even in his prime, is a fairly easy match up for stipe. he doesnt do anything which presents any real issues for stipe. certainly wont make it to a decision trying to strike, will have a hell of a time trying to take him down, and probably gets controlled if the fight ever does go to the ground. nobody has refuted any of it lol.

stipe would open as a betting favorite.

 

[Claude]

you said 'all he does is throw 1-2s' and posted gifs of him throwing 1-2s. that does not constitute a supporting argument, in fact not even close.

what defeat? fedor, even in his prime, is a fairly easy match up for stipe. he doesnt do anything which presents any real issues for stipe. certainly wont make it to a decision trying to strike, will have a hell of a time trying to take him down, and probably gets controlled if the fight ever does go to the ground. nobody has refuted any of it lol.

stipe would open as a betting favorite.

Wrong.

I said most of his game consists in 1-2's, which is true.

what defeat? fedor, even in his prime, is a fairly easy match up for stipe. he doesnt do anything which presents any real issues for stipe. certainly wont make it to a decision trying to strike, will have a hell of a time trying to take him down, and probably gets controlled if the fight ever does go to the ground. nobody has refuted any of it lol.

stipe would open as a betting favorite.

75%-25%

It's time to move on.

 

[Final Say]

75%-25%
.

Means nothing

 

[Deleted member 110072]

stipe's defense is underrated, he uses his feet to dictate the pace and range of the fight. hes almost never in danger of being hit. as a boxer, id love to see him keep his hands higher, but its usually not necessary for him. hes always, constantly cutting his opponents evasion off, moving in and out of range, picking his shots. if hes not landing punches, hes not in range. he was noticeably bigger than junior with a longer reach. he is so much bigger than a guy like fedor, he would completely dictate when and where strikes would occur. fedor is not even on the same level as a striker like stipe and wouldnt have more than a puncher's chance at beating him on the feet.

Stipe is a bit sounder technically than Cain but for me your description really does not match what I'v seen in the cage at all. Against Struve, JDS and Overeem Stipe looked very hittable at range indeed for me and indeed in those fights alone he probably took 2-3 times as many good shots standing as Fedor did in his entire 10 years undefeated.

Against JDS he's really dealing with someone who its far too easy to take out of the fight just by pushing forward without amazing timing. To me though I don't really see him as that quick on his feet and ends up straight infront of opponents most of the time showing again very limited head movement, high hands won't save you in MMA. I just don't see pushing back a prime Fedor to the cage being much of an option as if Stipe pushes forward Fedor will meet him , he won't drop back.

He'd have a reach edge on Fedor but really I do not see that as very important simply because Fedor was quick enough with good enough timing to explode forward with most of his offence. AT range in the first fight Stipe took a good deal of this from JDS and you can see for example that Fedor is not outranged by Mirko's mid kicking game the way Nog is for this reason. Indeed I don't recall anyone working reach effectively vs Fedor, even monsters like Semmy and Sylvia.

To me the way Stipe has been able to go on a run like this is pretty damming of the quality of HW, if were dealing with some evolved division there should not be these clear openings to exploit in all of the top guys games, maybe the odd match but not every fight.

 

[Claude]

Means nothing

Then why are you so monumentally butthurt?

 

[Final Say]

Then why are you so monumentally butthurt?

 

[My Spot]

Objectively, Stipe would win since he weighs more than 207 and is younger than 40.

 

[12ga.]

I'm not so sure Fedor coulnt beat him right now. Fedor ofc.

 

[Why did you]

I think fjodor wins in the ring and loses in cage fight.

 

[WhosJoeMama]

This is a joke right?

 

[FedorRoks]

I dig Stipe, but I have a serious question:

Does anyone really think Stipe beats Prime CroCop? What about Prime Nog?

And yes, I am one of those people who like both Stipe and Fedor.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

Please. He got outstruck by fuckin bigfoot. Wide haymakers=skill??? Go back and watch the end of the Hendo fight. Specifically, watch the playground-esque haymakers when he thought he had Hendo hurt, only to be reversed with a technical wrestling move and KO'd by a guy 6 years older and 20lbs lighter.

His 2 best wins (both decisions) went 10-12 in the UFC.

"Derr...outta prime!!"

First, Fedor didn't get outstruck by Bigfoot. However, Stipe did get out struck by Struve.

Also, you should read up on Fedor's striking when he wasn't a headhunter.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/5/31/3053056/fedor-emelianenko-striking-technique-pride

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