Yep. Salido would've been a sitting duck for Walters. I think he'd get him out of there as well. Too bad we'll never actually get to see it though. I do remember you had legit health concerns about Salido in a Loma rematch though. It was several years ago but I remember you expressing that you were against it.
Absolutely I'm taking Salido over Walter's, lol, since when did Salido become this bum? He got all those checks for beatings in his final fights because Loma being stupid enough to get in the ring with him, that was clever and a smart roll of the dice by Salidos team, made Salido "relevant" again. But let's not pretend the fights Salido fought post Loma were his prime or even a run of fights he should have been taking. He was past it. Who gives a fuck that Loma knocked out Martinez after Martinez beat Salido? Salido was battered meat before Loma, lol, he was never supposed to beat Loma in first place. So wtf with all this "Loma beat the guy who beat the guy" like it absolves any of it?
Salido was fighting competitive fights with top ranked 130ers even after Loma so saying he was "past it" might be true in the abstract but he was still a very good fighter. I just don't think he matches up well with Walters. People talk about Walters lack of heart but as Seano likes to say: once you start talking about heart, you're doing it to cover up for something else. Whatever you think of Walters he'd probably walk through Berchelt/Martinez/Roman.
Oh. So beating Martinez counts for Loma because Martinez beat shopworn Salido, but Walter's probably beats Berchelt and Salido, when he couldn't even beat Sosa and Berchelt murdered Sosa. And no, Walter's quit. He doesnt have heart. If Pedraza and Luke Campbell have enough heart to make it through 12, I don't want to hear excuses for a young dog like Walter's. He got broke and didnt have a plan b and hasnt fought since. When you're sitting their pointing the finger at Seano and literally doing the same thing you accuse him of and then try and convince me Walter's is walking through Salido or Berchelt, i mean you reaching with all this, doesnt help your argument at all.
yeah I don't think he walks through Berchelt, meant to type Vargas
Im' not sure if this is clear or not but I don't really particularly rate Loma's win over Martinez personally. The point was that Seano was obsessively demanding a fight with Salido well past the point where Salido was clearly avoiding Loma, so you'd think that if Seano rates Salido so highly he'd at least rate beating the guy who beat Salido highly. That usually works that way.
What makes you think I'm making excuses for Walters or that I care that he quit? Of course he quit and looked like a sore loser. What I was really saying is 130 Walters beats the shit out of 130 Salido, heart or not heart. If Salido was getting his shit rocked by Martinez, Vargas and Roman at different points, he isn't coming out of a fight with a bigger, harder punching guy that can fight on the inside and has a pole for a jab.
I don't think Walters beats Berchelt, that was a typo (meant to say Vargas). He absolutely beats the shit out of Salido post-Loma. I think you misunderstood a lot of what I was posting.
i see stevenson winning a competitive fight. they would be about the same size, but ultimately stevenson has a higher ring iq.
im not the one pretending loma was a pro. it was ESPN and the promoters around loma who kept feeding us the line that the guy had over 400 amateur fights and had won 2 gold medals and was basically on the level of a seasoned pro. thats why they put him in with salido in his second pro fight. they didnt put loma in with salido, doubting loma could beat salido. they figured salido was a stepping stone. in retrospect we can see it was a bad decision, but at the time, they obviously had every confidence loma could beat salido, even with all the stylistic problems you point out above...the other thing is, maybe loma has improved since the salido fight or maybe not. given the fact he was being called pfp #1 ten fights into his career but has looked less than impressive since then, the question is, is loma truly better now than he was when he fought salido...i doubt it.
not tryna take credit from loma, but i really dont rate the walters win very highly. i rate the loma win over grj far higher than walters, even though grj is much smaller than loma. from what it seems, walters was real frustrated about being the champ and still getting only one-third of what loma was getting paid...i mean, think of that....ONE-THIRD of what his challenger was making...and loma had barely had like 7 fights to his name at the time...far from an established name. Would any other champ agree to those terms. it was a case of the mental more than anything with walters. thats why walters half-assed it, quit after a few rounds, and never fought again. apparently that whole experience of being so undervalued even as a champ, turned him off of boxing for good.
based on what? you can't say Loma hasn't fought anybody and then say he definitively loses to a dude whose biggest win is Joet Gonzalez. I think Stevenson is a bit bigger, so that plays to his favor, and he's clearly very talented, but he's definitely had some moments where he hasn't looked super smooth and they weren't against guys even anywhere near the level of a GRJ or a Linares and definitely not a Loma. I guess it's certainly possible but I don't see why you think Stevenson should be the favorite. I'd be more willing to bet on Colbert beating Loma than Stevenson ATM.
The WBO decided he was worth giving a shot. He's not the first guy to get an extremely early title shot with a limited pro record (we just saw Lu Bin do it). They obviously misread the Salido situation but maybe, just maybe, Loma thought that Salido was a good fighter he could beat, he didn't pick him just because he thought he'd have an easy time walking over him for a paper title the way Stevenson did with Gonzalez.
I'm not sure how you can say that. Loma looked visibly better at 130 than at 126. More fluid, more powerful and better defensively. I never bought that he was #1 P4P, that was obviously a media smokeshow (the resume just wasn't there), but I'm not sure how you can say Loma looked worse at 130 than he did at 126. It was only really at 135 taht he started to look worse again, when he was significantly smaller in weight than most of his opponents.
I'm not a die hard loma fan. That's just Seano lying out of his ass because he knows he has a weird degree of derangement about this dude for being Ukrainian and the only answer he has to his obvious biases without admitting he's biased is to call me biased. Look through my posts, you can do it. I predicted Loma would lose to Lopez, I predicted he'd lose ot Mikey (when that fight was on the table), I think I may have predicted he loses to Walters when that fight was happening too. Look through my posts, you'll see I'm at best Loma-skeptical and have consistently called him overrated-but-very-skilled. Rewatch the fight because you seem to be the only one that remembers it as a blowout.
I don't ever want to hear anybody whine about my "excuse making" after I had to read this. You don't even believe this shit dude.
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I'll start with your last part. Pretty much negates a lot of why I responded if you didnt mean Berchelt. But he is a good tie-in. He's really unknown, he looks a class above his comp so far, we know who they are but who is he? Some might claim Berchelt has a signature win already but I disagree. He's a monster and only Stevenson or Loma are beating him right now. I could rate alot of these guys at 130 better if I knew who Berchelt was! Unfortunately I think Stevenson will KO him and Loma slaughters him, pretty sure Berchelt has one range he fights at and that doesnt bode well against those 2, I'm afraid it wont telk us much about Berchelt or the quality of his wins if he just gets destroyed, but that's the fight I want to see in both cases.
Exactly. Berchelt cut from same class as Salido, Vargas, etc, but seems a little sharper, tighter, more technically sound all resulting in him being more effective. That being said, Salido falling into this mix in his later years says alot, probably was better than most here when he had a lot less mileage. Just my opinion, but I have a lot of respect for Salido as I've displayed in this thread. If he was a gatekeeper level guy, well, he'll be one of the ones I remember most, I think Berchelt can be that level too, which would be good for boxing. That being said, I think Stevenson beats both comfortably. Ok, maybe you are right, not a KO but a lopsided 12 rd decision likely, but that's how I'm picturing it so I guess I was seeing an accumulation of damage but year Berchelt is rugged.
Yeah, that's what it's about! Hype up the sport, build the discussion, and nerd out. Comments and opinions arent always gonna age perfectly, but im always glad for anyone joining the discussion, even when I think they dont know wtf they are talking about.
