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Opinion Pfizer Covid Vaccine Efficiency - Not as high as claimed

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by DespicablePeep, Jan 12, 2021.

  1. Protectandserve Red Belt

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    tbh i wouldnt be terribly concerned. my thoughts are certainly in line with the blog post on the point that more data from the trials should be available sooner, particularly in a situation where there seems to be a significant of vaccine hesitancy. however, what has been published so far from pfizer and moderna are both valid and very positive in terms of efficacy.
     
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    I love how everyone wants to discuss all the minutia of this, when the reality is that they're just setting up a scenario where the "miracle" vaccines don't work, so they have to keep shutting everything down.

    By all means, tell me I'm wrong in six months.
     
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    I agree NVAX has a lot of hype for this. Hopefully it is well founded. mRNA vaccines are still fairly new and really need to be refined imho.
    Fall? Might as well not even try. That is kinda unacceptable and they will be last in line for vaccine glass vials and the such. Unless highly effective it will basically forgotten
     
  5. TeTe Grifting for likes Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    I got the two injections in my ass and suddenly I have this abnormal growth of muscle.

    Did I mention they administer this stuff at the gym too?
     
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    Lmao

    I was a bit suspicious when name of the vaccine bottle said "dianabol" on the side of it.
     
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    haha Greg Doucette imported. FDA Fraud division approved/ Post Market Surveillance not required.
     
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  10. glenwo2 Adamantium Belt

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    So are we going to die now? <Moves>
     
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    Pretty sure a Bronchoscopy wash/lavage can be used to collect samples of sputum for infection. I have not heard of covid being confirmed that way or seen it either because it is an invasive procedure. But I am pretty sure it can be done.
     
  13. Queen B He / Him / His

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    Thats a whole lot of IFs

    If 100% of those 20x suspected symptoms somehow bypassed all of the PCR tests, it would reduce the efficiency too low.
    Thats not likely.

    Author isnt concluding anything and is simply asking for more transparency in the study
     
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    It's irrelevant, as placebo and active agent are randomized. Even the people administering the dose don't know the real from the fake.

    ie) You have just as much chance getting a nurse getting the placebo as getting the candidate.


    LOL...you link to an OPINION piece from some dude that's salty 'cause he's not been granted access to the raw data. The FDA have the raw data, btw, it's not only Pfizer that has access (I assume that other regulatory bodies in other countries are granted similar access, but I don't KNOW that to be a fact).
    You want to do an independent study, have at it li'l bitch.
     
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    1) I believe that the Jets will win the SuperBowl this year, 'cause "they really want the win"... are you fucked?

    2) The Russian govenment doesn't lie? Heard of Sergei and Yulia Srkipal? How about Alexander Litvinenko? Or Alexei Navalny? How about not being allowed to use the Russian flag in the Olympics due to systematic doping/cheating.... Systemically Shady, on a level Trump could only dream of......are you fucked x 2
    3) Bashing for good reason... released prior to stage 3 trials which are pretty much a planetary standard, based on a trial size of 72 people--TOTAL. In addition to that, they've been caught infiltrating the other bio firms developing vaccines in order to steal tech.
    All that said, it does appear to be a sound mechanism IMO (using an adenovirus particle to introduce the antigen) and although not at it's initial target efficacy, it does seem to be around 90% effective if we can believe the Russian data....... there is a larger study underway in India, so I would await confirmation there, but I hope/suspect it will remain around that threshold.

    4) The Russian Government is the biggest criminal organization in the world, that it is a state sponsored vaccine program does NOT do Sputnik-V's credibility any favors. Perhaps only slightly less dicey then the Chinese vaccine candidate.
     
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  16. Lubaolong A natural consequence of gamma radiation

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    I wouldn’t put a ton of faith in a guy who is associate professor in the pharmacy department who speaks at antivaxx conferences. He has always tried to raise red flags about vaccines, and BMJ has received communications from a lot of concerned experts regarding keeping him on as an editor. It’s just ridiculous at this point some of the concerns he’s trying to raise. You always have to be humble and take into account the possibility of something unexpected out of left field, but at this point, these vaccines look golden. I will be surprised if Nobel prizes aren’t handed out for this work.
     
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    Great contributions in this thread so far!
     
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    Yeah thats why Putin isnt having the vaccine.
     
  19. The_Renaissance Sherdog Bunceweight Champion Yellow Card

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    I wouldn't be too concerned about but I am convinced that none of these vaccines are going to make much of a difference to be honest. People are still gonna die, like every other year. Elderly and vulnerable people mainly even if they've had the vaccine. Things will start looking up around May just in time for spring/summer when the virus naturally fizzles out and disappears for a few months......we'll be told it's the vaccine, it won't be the vaccine.

    Come autumn, here comes the 'new variant' and we all know what happens for the next few months after that.
     
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    But how random is it? We can't really know if the data isn't available.
    Besides: should it be really random? We know that the virus overwhelmingly affects people old people with several serious health-issues. They need the vaccine more than anyone else thus it should be more effective for them. If you're saying that a vaccine is 90% percent effective for people who have close to 0% of a change in getting sick than it doesn't mean much really.
     
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