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Opinion Pfizer Covid Vaccine Efficiency - Not as high as claimed

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by DespicablePeep, Jan 12, 2021.

  1. Oceanmachine Brown Belt

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    You are brainwashed bro. And into corporate cock man
     
  2. DespicablePeep Red Belt

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    good points but nothing is very clear in the Pfizer protocol about testing for Covid, its a single PCR test which does not seem enough considering the possibilities of a false negative. From most of the sources I have read PCR seems about 90/80% accurate once you test at the correct window.

    To claim 95% I think even the information at which time/window people were tested is important.

    I talked to a doctor and he explained is the only way to "wash" the lung for a sample, which would be much more accurate than a nose/throat swab.
     
  3. CatchnShoot Black Leather Belt

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    Come back with a basic understanding of study design.
     
  4. CatchnShoot Black Leather Belt

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    Good luck getting study participants with that protocol. Your "doctor" sounds like he has zero real world experience tbh.
     
  5. HydraCap3 #Brady Banned

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    I think you achieved your next Troll Level with this one.
     
  6. Queen B He / Him / His

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    Let me guess, you think all the politicians who said Defund the Police are trolls too. Because like typical MAGGOTs, anyone who doesnt believe in their viewpoints are trolls. The intolerance of opinions of others
     
  7. HydraCap3 #Brady Banned

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    Okay Troll
     
  8. lifelessheap Gold Belt

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    I'm waiting for Mexico's vaccine.
     
  9. aries Gold Belt

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    I think the real problem with the vaccine is that they might not stop you getting infected so you might go on to infect others even if you don't develop bad symptoms (due to vaccine). So that leaves us back at square one, eitther lockdown or allow it to spread and rely on a combination of vaccines and herd immunity. That's if the vaccines don't prevent transmission which has yet to be proven either way.
     
  10. DespicablePeep Red Belt

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    nobody is suggesting such an intrusive method as means of testing, it is just to show how the swab is limited to capture the virus, it depends of a lot of circumstances making the PCR not even 90% effective.
     
  11. jx820 Silver Belt

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    So they'll update their Patient Packet Insert with new data as/if it becomes available in accordance with the FDA and pharma code requirements. Not a big deal, happens all the time with pharmaceuticals.
     
  12. PhitePhan Purple Belt

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    So no worries that Pfizer operates on the up and up? Pardon my skepticism...

    “Pfizer has faced thousands of lawsuits filed for medical injuries caused by some of its most popular drugs. It has also set a record for the largest fine paid for a health care fraud lawsuit filed by the U.S. Department of Justice. Pfizer paid $2.3 billion in fines, penalties, and settlement for illegal marketing claims.” https://www.drugdangers.com/manufacturers/pfizer/
     
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  13. jx820 Silver Belt

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    Whether they are legitimate, whether there is data they are hiding, whether they are run by evil lizard men is all entirely seperate from whether this one statistic was off due to what seems to be a technical challenge in data collection.

    If they are found to be illeagally manipulating test results or burrying unfavorable findings with unethical science, that's a different discussion.
     
  14. The ScorpioN "GET OVER HERE!" Double Yellow Card

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    Do we know the maximum number of cycles that pfizer uses for a positive result?
     
  15. The ScorpioN "GET OVER HERE!" Double Yellow Card

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    He's just like the pfizer CEO, doesn't want to cut in line in front of more deserving POC
     
  16. DespicablePeep Red Belt

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    I don´t think so

    https://pfe-pfizercom-d8-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/2020-09/C4591001_Clinical_Protocol.pdf

    The assessments will include a nasal (midturbinate) swab, which will be tested at a central laboratory using a reverse transcription–polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) test (Cepheid; FDA approved under EUA), or other equivalent nucleic acid amplification–based test (ie, NAAT), to detect SARS-CoV-2.
     
  17. The ScorpioN "GET OVER HERE!" Double Yellow Card

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    Suspicious. Cycle # that counts as positive + changing concentration of primers could drastically alter the data. Easy to manipulate.
    The hospitalization rates post vaccine will be the best litmus test imo
     
  18. drstrangelov Hey.

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    The article is more a call for open data on covid vaccines than any kind of meaningful inquiry into the available data. The idea that there’s a public health risk resulting from skepticism about the result isn’t entirely off base, but the idea that releasing the data will actually impact that skepticism is probably wishful thinking. It’ll just lead to more misinterpretation, inevitably.

    The author nicely illustrates how this is done by latching on to subjective data points and using them to question his trust in the result. Certainly no one would believe that suspected COVID is a very good surrogate for a positive test, and given the rate of self reporting suspected infections we’d expect any false positives/negatives to be distributed across both arms of the study equally.

    I fully expect the efficacy percentage to decline in time. The interim analysis used a small number of events to determine how effective the vaccine is, there’s still a lot of room for variation in results as more subject data becomes available, but little room for improvement.
     
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  19. drstrangelov Hey.

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    Hospitalization data was also included in the submission package to the fda.
     
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  20. PhitePhan Purple Belt

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    You claim that they’ll just update their packet info, “in accordance with the FDA and pharma code requirements. Not a big deal, happens all the time with pharmaceuticals.”

    Seems they (Pfizer) have struggled to act within the law or ethically (per their legal history), which is a direct challenge to your naive assertion. Honestly not sure why you bring up “lizard men,” but seems pretty normal for vaccine zealots to straw man...

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