Economy Now Trump is putting tariffs on Brazil because they were mean to Bolsonaro

China (and a lot of the BRICS countries) aren't a surefire bet in the future. They are facing a lot of economic problems, multiple bubbles bursting (or close to bursting), massive debt issues, demographic challenges, etc. And if there isn't a deal with between China and the US then China's spending power will also be impacted. There's a huge risk if a country like Brazil is going to rely on China to pick up the slack on it's exports.

BRICS does worry me but I think they are mostly united by a common enemy right now (the Western globalist order). Once their interests conflict I believe the BRICS coalition will face serious challenges. There already are major issues between the big players in BRICS, like border/resource conflicts between China and India/Russia.
Yes, most BRICS countries are poor and there is the very serious rivalry between India and China. But having said that it’s a threat as an idea. As other countries may want to avoid the dollar and also make their own accords.

My opinion is that if the US wants to oppose China it should show itself as an alternative. It should be beneficial for countries to use the USD and to trade with the US. What Trump is doing is making it bad to align itself with the US. As he is attacking countries that are mostly allied with the US. It’s one thing to slap tariffs or an embargo on NK, Iran, Venezuela. It’s completely different to start a trade war with Canada, Australia, Mexico, Brazil.
 
Yes, most BRICS countries are poor and there is the very serious rivalry between India and China. But having said that it’s a threat as an idea. As other countries may want to avoid the dollar and also make their own accords.

My opinion is that if the US wants to oppose China it should show itself as an alternative. It should be beneficial for countries to use the USD and to trade with the US. What Trump is doing is making it bad to align itself with the US. As he is attacking countries that are mostly allied with the US. It’s one thing to slap tariffs or an embargo on NK, Iran, Venezuela. It’s completely different to start a trade war with Canada, Australia, Mexico, Brazil.
I agree with most of your sentiment, but I would argue there are also some inherent trade imbalances between the US and places like Canada, Australia, Mexico, Brazil, in terms of labour costs. We have been seeing a lot of manufacturing and business shift to Mexico and Canada simply because they are paid lower wages and that has a stifling effect on American jobs and wages. Like the recent transition of American car manufacturing to Mexico, there's little reason to do that other than the difference in labour costs between Mexico and US. If you are trying to protect American jobs you will have to impose some sort of restriction on importing from Mexico or Americans will simply be unable to compete with lower Mexican wages, almost the exact same thing that happened when manufacturing moved to China. Except instead of offshoring, it's nearshoring.

It's hard to argue that you want your citizens to be paid more while simultaneously allowing manufacturing moved to a country where the people are paid substantially less. Especially given how labour costs are the #1 cost in the majority of businesses. There really aren't many tools the US government can easily use to prevent this imbalance other than tariffs.
 
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I agree with most of your sentiment, but I would argue there are also some inherent trade imbalances between the US and places like Canada, Australia, Mexico, Brazil, in terms of labour costs. We have been seeing a lot of manufacturing and business shift to Mexico and Canada simply because they are paid lower wages and that has a stifling effect on American jobs and wages. Like the recent transition of American car manufacturing to Mexico, there's literally no reason to do that other than the difference in labour costs between Mexico and US. If you are trying to protect American jobs you will have to impose some sort of restriction on importing from Mexico or Americans will simply be unable to compete with lower Mexican wages, almost the exact same thing that happened when manufacturing moved to China.

It's hard to argue that you want your citizens to be paid more while simultaneously allowing manufacturing moved to a country where the people are paid substantially less. Especially given how labour costs are the #1 cost in the majority of businesses. There really aren't many tools the US government can easily use to prevent this imbalance other than tariffs.
Yes, it’s complex. But you also profit in the sense that goods end up being cheaper when made in Mexico, so American consumers pay less.

Back in the day it was more profitable to build in the US as American infrastructure was much better than Mexico, which was mostly a rural country. So that’s the reason stuff was built in first world countries, as the third world picked up the slack it got hard to compete in that kind of manufacturing. Very high tech stuff is still built in first world countries due to that advantage in infrastructure and qualified labor, so it’s something you can invest and make money that way.
Let Mexico build cars while you build chips, biological drugs, design software and the like.

But anyhow, in the case of Brazil there are very few American industries here and there is actually a trade deficit for Brazil, about 7 billion USD.
 
I think we need a constitutional amendment to confine the presidents power to inflict tariffs on trading partners.

The founding fathers never envisioned a world as intertwined as we are now.
 
Yes, it’s complex. But you also profit in the sense that goods end up being cheaper when made in Mexico, so American consumers pay less.

Back in the day it was more profitable to build in the US as American infrastructure was much better than Mexico, which was mostly a rural country. So that’s the reason stuff was built in first world countries, as the third world picked up the slack it got hard to compete in that kind of manufacturing. Very high tech stuff is still built in first world countries due to that advantage in infrastructure and qualified labor, so it’s something you can invest and make money that way.
Let Mexico build cars while you build chips, biological drugs, design software and the like.

But anyhow, in the case of Brazil there are very few American industries here and there is actually a trade deficit for Brazil, about 7 billion USD.
I agree the Brazil one seems more politically targeted than economically targeted. I also agree that these thing have many layers of complexity.

I disagree that we should allow jobs like that to offshore/nearshore without pushback. High tech jobs aren't something everyone can perform and a lot of those jobs are at a high risk of being replaced by AI. We still want low skill workers to have jobs. Also, the more jobs that are out there the more employers have to compete to attract talent. Losing those jobs will cut off the a large segment of the population from employment and put downward wage pressure on the ones that do remain in America.

Additionally there is a national security imperative to being able to produce in your own country. If all our vehicle manufacturing moves to Mexico, Mexico gains the manufacturing capacity and skill to produce our vehicles, while on the flip-side America loses those. If Mexico wanted to attack America (hypothetically), they would have a huge advantage to do so, as they can produce things quickly and efficiently while America would have to take years/decades to onshore the same level of manufacturing capacity or rely on the very person attacking it to provide them what they need to defend.
 
99% sure that has little to do with Bolsonaro. It's due to the BRICS summit in Rio. Trump is trying to blackmail Brazil into leaving BRICS as it opposes American and US Dollar hegemony.
The problem for him is that it's not the 1950s anymore, Brazil exports to the US amount to around 2% of Brazil GDP, China is more than double that. So, even if tariffs ended all trade to the US and no other country picked up the slack it would be a very small dent, equivalent to an 1 year growth or so.

reddit bros fall for it every time.
Trump's letter specifically says it is because of Bolsonaro you idgits.

First two paragraphs from Trump are all about him.

 
Yes, most BRICS countries are poor and there is the very serious rivalry between India and China. But having said that it’s a threat as an idea. As other countries may want to avoid the dollar and also make their own accords.

My opinion is that if the US wants to oppose China it should show itself as an alternative. It should be beneficial for countries to use the USD and to trade with the US. What Trump is doing is making it bad to align itself with the US. As he is attacking countries that are mostly allied with the US. It’s one thing to slap tariffs or an embargo on NK, Iran, Venezuela. It’s completely different to start a trade war with Canada, Australia, Mexico, Brazil.
- Trump has zero understand of diplomacy. All around him involves throwing a tantrum. Sadly, because the man is a excelent talker and very charismatic.
 

Trump tariff on Brazilian goods could jack up US burger price​

By Tom Polansek

  • US companies buy lean beef from Brazil to make hamburger meat
  • Trump's plan for 50% duty would slash imports, analysts say
  • US beef production has dropped due to tight cattle supply
CHICAGO, July 10 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump's plan for a 50% tariff on goods from Brazil will likely raise prices for beef used in American hamburgers, traders and analysts said on Thursday, as food manufacturers increasingly rely on imports during a time of declining domestic production.

The proposal is a blow to U.S. meat companies also facing tighter cattle supplies due to a halt of livestock imports from Mexico over New World screwworm, a flesh-eating pest spreading south of the border.

The tariff would slash imports of Brazilian beef and force companies to seek supplies from other nations as Trump is broadening his global trade war, analysts said.

"If it does not get modified, you just cease the importation of Brazilian beef to this country," said Bob Chudy, a consultant for U.S. companies that import beef. "Not one pound will be economic at those levels."

U.S. beef prices climbed to records this year and production is projected to fall 2% to 26.4 million pounds, after farmers reduced the nation's cattle herd to its smallest size in more than seven decades. A years-long drought dried up pasture land used for grazing, making it too expensive for many producers to feed their cattle.

Food makers have ramped up imports in response. U.S. beef imports from Brazil over the first five months of the year more than doubled from the same period in 2024, to 175,063 metric tons, according to the latest U.S. government data. That accounted for 21% of total U.S. imports.

A 50% duty starting on August 1 would bring the tariff rate on Brazilian beef to about 76% for the rest of the year, livestock analysts said.
"It is absolutely freezing trade today," Chudy said of the proposal. "We don't know what to do as an import community."

Trump has shown the United States can enact tariffs that level the playing field for American workers and farmers while lowering costs, White House spokesperson Anna Kelly said.

However, U.S. consumers also face sharp price rises on staples including coffee and orange juice, traders said.

The U.S. is Brazil's second-largest trading partner after China, and the tariffs are a major increase from a 10% duty Trump announced in April. The 10% tariff already started slowing U.S. beef imports from Brazil in June, traders said.

U.S. companies import lean beef from Brazil and other countries to mix with domestic supplies to make hamburger meat. Consumers have shown they are generally willing to pay high prices for meat, though the tariff would be a new test of their demand.

"This tariff will likely raise the price of beef, a staple food for many, on the heels of Congress voting to reduce food assistance to the most vulnerable consumers," said Thomas Gremillion, director of food policy at the Consumer Federation of America.

The tariff forces importers to pay more for Brazilian beef or source it from other, higher-cost suppliers, said Austin Schroeder, commodity analyst for Brugler Marketing & Management.

Importers may try to boost purchases from Australia, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay, analysts said.

"You need higher prices to ration out what you have available," said Altin Kalo, chief economist at Steiner Consulting Group. "Australia is shipping as much as they can here."

Across the country, restaurants rely on a steady supply of imported goods that cannot be produced domestically, said Sean Kennedy, an executive vice president for the National Restaurant Association.

"Dramatic tariff increases could affect menu planning and food costs for restaurants as they attempt to find new suppliers," he said.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/com...ods-could-jack-up-us-burger-price-2025-07-10/
 
- Trump has zero understand of diplomacy. All around him involves throwing a tantrum. Sadly, because the man is a excelent talker and very charismatic.

These tariffs just haven't hit yet but the implications long term are going to be nasty on the US consumer as they will be coughing up more money to buy meat and a double whopper at BurgerKing.

It's merrily a waiting game. CPI could get interesting around Q4 as tariffs start set in the economy.

Looking forward to see how this pans. There is a reason the Fed are being super cautious about rates as they know what's coming.
 
Lula!
Has the guy learned how to read and write yet?
Got to love Brazilians. The second time they elect this guy after he went to prison for money laundering and corruption.
A corrupt culture that keeps the country from evolving into a superpower. Same for all of Latin America. I spent years living and working in Brazil.
Repairing Russian machinery? :p
 
These tariffs just haven't hit yet but the implications long term are going to be nasty on the US consumer as they will be coughing up more money to buy meat and a double whopper at BurgerKing.

It's merrily a waiting game. CPI could get interesting around Q4 as tariffs start set in the economy.

Looking forward to see how this pans. There is a reason the Fed are being super cautious about rates as they know what's coming.
- From the price of cars, to chocolate and coffe. I agree with the poster that said, Trump should have his tarifs power checked. He is doing a mess at the world economy.
 
Yes, most BRICS countries are poor and there is the very serious rivalry between India and China. But having said that it’s a threat as an idea. As other countries may want to avoid the dollar and also make their own accords.

My opinion is that if the US wants to oppose China it should show itself as an alternative. It should be beneficial for countries to use the USD and to trade with the US. What Trump is doing is making it bad to align itself with the US. As he is attacking countries that are mostly allied with the US. It’s one thing to slap tariffs or an embargo on NK, Iran, Venezuela. It’s completely different to start a trade war with Canada, Australia, Mexico, Brazil.
The problem is that his ego has built his entire persona around being a great businessman and deal maker. In reality he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and seems to idolize the image of a Don Corleone that makes offers that can't be refused.

What a fucking cluster fuck for our nation. I still can't believe so many have joined his MAGA cult but am more amazed those that were on the fence voted for him after all his lies and his attempt to steal the '20 election. Why the fuck didn't the Dems offer up a moderate white guy to run against him?
 
The problem is that his ego has built his entire persona around being a great businessman and deal maker. In reality he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and seems to idolize the image of a Don Corleone that makes offers that can't be refused.

What a fucking cluster fuck for our nation. I still can't believe so many have joined his MAGA cult but am more amazed those that were on the fence voted for him after all his lies and his attempt to steal the '20 election. Why the fuck didn't the Dems offer up a moderate white guy to run against him?
Frustrating for sure. Maybe nobody that thought they could win wanted it because they figured they would lose? Lose and you're damaged goods going forward and have no chance in 2028.
 
These tariffs just haven't hit yet but the implications long term are going to be nasty on the US consumer as they will be coughing up more money to buy meat and a double whopper at BurgerKing.
Unless those multi-billion dollar corporations just eat them...because they can. That's why there hasn't been any huge consequences for the US over tariffs as of yet. They have a big safety net of wealth. They can afford to do this.
 
dude lost the reelection, tried a coup and failed. There was actually a plan involving parts of the military to kill the current president and reinstall him. He was also running the ABIN (like the brazilian NSA/CIA) to monitor and investigate political enemies, police investigators, federal judges and journalists. Some allies of him actually back channeled with the Biden administration if they would support the new goverment (they didn't)

Even with all that, there's already a movement in congress to amnesty the people involved even though the trial is ongoing. Difference here is that Bolsonaro lost most of his popular support, otherwise the amnesty would be already in place (current government doesnt have majority). Like all politicians that dont do shit, he put all his kids on public office (4). Earlier this year one of his kids took license from congress and moved to Dallas to avoid his prosecution here and lobbie for his family cause there (he was friends with Steve Bannon and his movement). Apparently the lobbie has been working.

Now... the 50% tariffs are BS and will have a negative impact here. The current goverment is impopular and the economic impact could weaken them even more. But I think it'll backfire for the Bolsonaros since:
1 - Brazil is a multi party system, so there's a lot of people who doesnt like the current goverment (and want Lula jailed too) that also believe that Bolsonaro should be in jail. So the tariffs can be framed as the Bolsonaro's trying to save themselves while fucking the country over.
2 - One of his strongest support bases here are the agro-exporters, who should be heavly impacted by this.

Hopefully the pressure actually makes the judges go harsher on the people involved (recently they were trending to go softer).
So in some backwards way it may be good?
I mean, if it means no PT and no Bolsonaros in power (I've been hearing they want to put foward his wife as candidate because he has heavy support from evangelicals) I'll take it.


Imagine being this dumb.
 
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