Crime New Migrant Detention Facility "Alligator Alcatraz" opening next month in Florida Everglades

[Hog-train]

Expediting court procedure, simplifying process to obtain visas, expedite removals without obstructing their right to due process, etc.

If this process goes faster than there are less people sitting in detention for long periods of time, less illegal overstay in general, and more insensitive for people to do shitbthe proper way.

But if you'd rather keep the system the way it is and just make more space to lock people up, that's on you. I honestly don't have the energy to care any more

Even if you do all that, you still need more detention facilities for the millions that are already in the country illegally.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Even if you do all that, you still need more detention facilities for the millions that are already in the country illegally.

We have plenty of facilities. We can expand the existing ones if it comes to it but they stay packed because people just sit there without being properly processed. If the process was better you'd need far less space

 

[Hog-train]

We have plenty of facilities. We can expand the existing ones if it comes to it but they stay packed because people just sit there without being properly processed. If the process was better you'd need far less space

They stay packed precisely because they're trying to properly process them with limited resources. If they weren't properly processed, they would just wholesale just start shipping people out.

 

[oldshadow]

We have plenty of facilities. We can expand the existing ones if it comes to it but they stay packed because people just sit there without being properly processed. If the process was better you'd need far less space

This one is better in many ways.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

They stay packed precisely because they're trying to properly process them with limited resources. If they weren't properly processed, they would just wholesale just start shipping people out.

What you're describing is forgoing due process which is unconstitutional. What is am describing is expediting the process legally by overhauling the way it currently works.

Yes, you could get rid of the need for all of this by just throwing out the constitution but that would be a terrible idea.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

This one is better in many ways.

It really is not. It was shit before it closed originally.

 

[KnightTemplar]

This is a mistake. Eventually the migrants will learn how to communicate with the alligators, a deal will be brokered, and an uprising will happen

Well I, for one, welcome our new Alligator Overlords.

 

[oldshadow]

It really is not. It was shit before it closed originally.

They have a good setup where they can hold the illegals in good setting then there is an airstrip they can fly them out once the processing is completed.

 

[Hog-train]

What you're describing is forgoing due process which is unconstitutional. What is am describing is expediting the process legally by overhauling the way it currently works.

Yes, you could get rid of the need for all of this by just throwing out the constitution but that would be a terrible idea.

Expedited removal is getting due process.

 

[HereticBD]

What you're describing is forgoing due process which is unconstitutional. What is am describing is expediting the process legally by overhauling the way it currently works.

Yes, you could get rid of the need for all of this by just throwing out the constitution but that would be a terrible idea.

What type of "due process" do you think illegal immigrants are entitled to? Do you think they all get jury trials or some shit? Lay off the democrat talking points. They're getting the same "due process" that the millions that Obama deported got.

 

[Confucamus]

What type of "due process" do you think illegal immigrants are entitled to? Do you think they all get jury trials or some shit? Lay off the democrat talking points. They're getting the same "due process" that the millions that Obama deported got.

What are you even saying? Of course we have the money and resources to give 20 million illegal aliens 3 month long jury trials each. Any other way is complete fascism!

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Expedited removal is getting due process.

Expedited removal is not what you are describing. It is part of what i am describing. Due process legally must include advanced notice, an chance to represent your court, and a chance to appeal a decision.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

They have a good setup where they can hold the illegals in good setting then there is an airstrip they can fly them out once the processing is completed.

It was literally closed down for being one of the most expensive prisons in the country and the building being constantly worn down by salt water. It is a Cash sink

 

[cincymma79]

 

[cincymma79]

It was literally closed down for being one of the most expensive prisons in the country and the building being constantly worn down by salt water. It is a Cash sink

The land was already being used so that’s not an issue. Wait are you saying these people are so dangerous they require the same security as Alcatraz?

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Wait are you saying these people are so dangerous they require the same security as Alcatraz?

Reading must be hard for you

Also Alcatraz security was questionable they allowed man escapes

 

[Hog-train]

Expedited removal is not what you are describing. It is part of ehat i am describing. Due process legally must include advanced notice, an chance to represent your court, and a chance to appeal a decision.

That's only for people with some kind of protected status like those with existing asylum claims, TPS or humanitarian parole.

For anyone that just came in illegally within the last 2 years and don't have any protected status, they're eligible to be deported for expedited removal.

Expedited removal has been the law since 1996 and Bush, Obama and Biden all used it too.

Do some research before you spout off on no one getting "due process." Immigration court is not a criminal trial. People getting expedited removal don't legally have a right to any "trial."

People can be deported with expedited removal:

1. entered the U.S. by sea, either by boat or other means,
2. were not admitted or paroled into the U.S.
3. have not been continuously present in the U.S. for at least two years.

The INS also introduced a credible fear screening process for those who indicated that they might be eligible for asylum. That's the extent of the "due process" they are legally mandated to get.

Expedited removal - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

That's only for people with some kind of protected status like those with existing asylum claims, TPS or humanitarian parole.

For anyone that just came in illegally within the last 2 years and don't have any protected status, they're eligible to be deported for expedited removal.

Expedited removal has been the law since 1996 and Bush, Obama and Biden all used it too.

Do some research before you spout off on no one getting "due process." Immigration court is not a criminal trial. People getting expedited removal don't legally have a right to any "trial."

People can be deported with expedited removal:

1. entered the U.S. by sea, either by boat or other means,
2. were not admitted or paroled into the U.S.
3. have not been continuously present in the U.S. for at least two years.

The INS also introduced a credible fear screening process for those who indicated that they might be eligible for asylum. That's the extent of the "due process" they are legally mandated to get.

Expedited removal - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You're leaving out important information.

Expedited removal orders can still be legally challenged and resources as well as notice must be given to allow for this. Additionally even if you came here illegally you are allowed to retroactively make an asylum case. In fact, it is legally required to ask them if they wish to retroactively apply for asylum.

So, as I said before, what you are describing is not expedited removal. It us unconstitutional removal. Expedited removal dies not exclude you from having your time in court to plead your case

 

[Hog-train]

You're leaving out important information.

Expedited removal orders can still be legally challenged and resources as well as notice must be given to allow for this. Additionally even if you came here illegally you are allowed to retroactively make an asylum case. In fact, it is legally required to ask them if they wish to retroactively apply for asylum.

So, as I said before, what you are describing is not expedited removal. It us unconstitutional removal. Expedited removal dies not exclude you from having your time in court to plead your case

Expedited removals can only be challenged under two circumstances:

1. Individuals with lawful permanent resident, refugee, or asylee status who are wrongfully subjected to expedited removal may challenge the order in court. But that's not what's happening.

2. Individuals expressing a fear of returning to their home country or an intent to apply for asylum will be given a "credible fear" interview.

But everyone being removed via expedited removal are all getting credible fear interviews. That's the due process.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Expedited removals can only be challenged under two circumstances:

1. Individuals with lawful permanent resident, refugee, or asylee status who are wrongfully subjected to expedited removal may challenge the order in court. But that's not what's happening.

2. Individuals expressing a fear of returning to their home country or an intent to apply for asylum will be given a "credible fear" interview. But everyone being removed via expedited removal are all getting credible fear interviews.

Incorrect. All individuals are granted a 30 day window to file a challenge to the decision to grant an expedited removal order. No stipulations.

You're confusing challenges with formal appeals.