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High crime rates
Crime New Migrant Detention Facility "Alligator Alcatraz" opening next month in Florida Everglades
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I linked to a search.
Which of the links produced that quote?
What are the rebuttals and who's making them?
I'm open to the idea all the stories are bullshit but I'd like to see a reputable source saying they're bullshit.
AI says conflicting reports come from Ron DeSantis and the DoHS. What else would those people say?
In any case, this is going to trial, right? The trial should prove what the conditions are actually like.
But yes, considering this administration, I'm inclined to believe a hastily constructed prison in a swap is likely a shithole. I'm also inclined to believe it's a shithole both on purpose to send a message, and because building it on the cheap is far more profitable.
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America is infamous for it's insane percentage of incarcerated citizens, and how bad their treatment is in general. That's for CITIZENS.
I can only imagine how bad it is for immigrants.
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It was at the top of the page AI chat answer.
What specific stories of "abuse" are you saying are true. Give me one and we'll go from there.
To this point, I don't believe anything the mainstream media says these days because they consistently lie about immigration. Through omitting key facts.
Like provably so. They always do stories like "mother of 3 detained..." "Father who has never committed a crime and in the country for 20 years deported..."
But they ALWAYS forget to mention they had a final deportation order or committed a crime in their past. They're not honest.
No because the decision ordering them to close Alligator Alactraz got reversed already.
And the reason it was stopped to begin with was due to ENVIRONMENTAL reasons- not for any alleged abuse.
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We don't need to go further.
I looked at the Times reporting on how the stay has been released and it's back in business. There isn't going to be an investigation, and all we're ever going to have is different opinions from different people.
I don't believe any of the accusations are necessarily true but I was responding to the avalanche of testimony that the place was terrible. I still believe the place is likely terrible, but it's an American detention facility, of course it's terrible.
If there's one thing America is still good at, it's incarcerating people terribly (unless you're Ghislaine Maxwell).
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I mean I don't necessarily disbelieve everything either. But I think they're over exaggerating it. And often omitting key facts.
Reason I think this is because they've been consistently doing it over and over. Both sides actually.
I think Alligator Alcatraz is as bad as any other detention center - but that's it. I mean it's not supposed to be a 4 star hotel. They're in detention to be deported. What do they expect?
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It reminds me of selective talking points , like remember the kids in cages outrage during Trump ? Turns out Obama started that and Biden kept with it . Detention center conditions not being a 4 star hotel ? There were many photos of people stack in detention centers sleeping on the floor during Biden’s admin . Selective outrage, again
Also note he went to the racist card first until you called
Him out for it . Lol predictable responses
CBP Defends Conditions At Border Detention Centers Amid Upsurge In Migrants
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Remember this beauty of a Biden detention center? I am sure all these same people cared then. Lmao
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ExactlyRemember this beauty of a Biden detention center? I am sure all these same people cared then. Lmao
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Yeah this isn't suspicious at all:
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Inside ‘Alligator Alcatraz,’ where detainees’ uniform color is based on criminal history
BY MIKE SCHNEIDER
Updated 4:57 PM BRT, October 1, 2025
Detainees arriving at the immigration detention center in the Florida Everglades known as “ Alligator Alcatraz ” are given color-coded uniforms and wrist-bands, then segregated based on their criminal history and whether they’re considered a flight risk, according to a handbook given to detainees.
The handbook presents strict rules on hygiene and dress, portraying an environment inside the remote detention center that starkly contrasts with the deplorable conditions detainees described shortly after it opened in July. The handbook was made public as part of a lawsuit over whether detainees have proper access to attorneys.
The court case is one of three lawsuits filed by environmental and civil rights groups over conditions at the detention center, which was built this summer by the state of Florida and operated by private contractors and state agencies.
A federal judge in Miami ordered in August that the facility must wind down operations within two months, agreeing with environmental groups that the remote airstrip site wasn’t given a proper environmental review before it was converted into an immigration detention center. But operations continued after the judge’s preliminary injunction was put on hold in early September by an appellate court panel.
President Donald Trump toured the facility in July and suggested it could be a model for future lockups nationwide as his administration pushes to expand the infrastructure needed to increase deportations.
Civil rights groups on Monday asked a federal judge in Fort Myers for an injunction that would stop the facility from holding detainees. They argued that the federal law doesn’t allow state agencies or private contractors to carry out immigration detention since that’s a function of the Department of Homeland Security alone, and that the facility was set up “outside the normal channels for immigration detention, without regard for multiple limits and safeguards in federal law.”
“As a result, the facility is beset by a host of previously unthinkable problems,” they said in a motion for a preliminary injunction. “Physical conditions are atrocious.”
But the handbook submitted last week by the state of Florida in the separate legal-access lawsuit suggests that detainees are warned that guards would enforce strict rules on dress, hygiene and behavior.
Detainees must watch an orientation video upon arrival. They are allowed only to keep prayer books, glasses, dentures, wedding rings and small personal religious items like a rosary, and they wear sandals with their uniform. They’re given soap, shampoo, deodorant, toothpaste and a toothbrush, as well as sheets, a blanket, mattress and towel. Among items considered contraband are recording devices, like cameras and cell phones, and identity documents such as passports and birth certificates, since Immigration and Customs Enforcement may use the documents as evidence, according to the handbook.
Detainees’ uniform shirts can never be removed in housing units or recreational areas, and they can’t place their hands in the waistband of their pants regardless of weather conditions, or they face discipline, according to the handbook.
During regular head counts, detainees aren’t allowed to move or talk. If they do, they can be punished, along with everyone in their dorm, with being locked in their housing unit. Breakfasts start at 5:30 a.m. Meals are served in a dining hall where food is forbidden from being removed. Detainees who are segregated from the general population are served in their cells.
Barbering services are available, and detainees are expected to bathe regularly and keep their hair clean. “Personal hygiene is essential,” the handbook said. However, detainees reported in July that toilets sometimes don’t flush, flooding floors with fecal waste, and detainees go days without showering.
The facility has a law library, and detainees can spend up to five hours a week there.
In a separate court filing, an official with a private contractor overseeing how detainees can access lawyers disputed the arguments of civil rights groups that detainees aren’t getting confidential access for attorney-client communications that should be protected. Every detainee request for an attorney meeting, either in person or via videoconference, has been granted, said Mark Saunders of The Nakamoto Group.
The handbook also informs detainees that the facility has zero tolerance for sexual assault or abuse and has hired a full-time investigator trained in sexual assault investigations. While saying sexual assault is never the victim’s fault, the handbook also lists ways detainees can avoid it, such as not accepting gifts or favors from others and by appearing confident.
“Many attackers choose victims who look like they won’t fight back or who they think is emotionally weak,” the handbook said.
https://apnews.com/article/florida-...raz-desantis-da08add07ec7b62cd9ead1ac7184d9cf
