Nemkov or Poatan

Hellowhosthat said:
Corey is getting chinned at some point I think. He'd have to panic wrestle immediately but it's not like Poatan just falls down as someone makes contact with his legs.

Davis might be interesting just to see if his chin can handle the Poatan shots but he's kinda old now so I dunno if they could.

Bader is shot now, I bet him in the Ferreira fight thinking he can maybe wrestle a hard hitter with worse takedown defence than Poatan but yeah, I didn't make any money on that transaction.
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Ferreira is 6'8 and 265 pounds. He is not a litmus test for what Alex Peireira would do other than hit very hard. Alex is nowhere near as big or a strong as Ferreira, few people are.

Bader is too old to make 205 again, but Bader from a few years ago would be a serious problem. Also, Bader layed and prayed Kongo at HW, who is actually a good wrestler for a striker (he himself is boring af).

We're in an era where the UFC is afraid to match Ank, who is not a great wrestler with Alex. Corey Anderson was able to take down Vadim Nemkov at will in their first fight, so he certainly could make Alex fall down, no touching leg hyperbole is needed. How else has Corey Anderson beat his opponents?

Phil Davis has never been hurt to my knowledge or knocked out. He has no problems about fighting lame, which is why he is in Bellator in the first place. He is probably the absolute worst fight for Alex in the world.


3 high level wrestlers and a world champion in Sambo are bigger problems for Alex than anyone in the UFC. These are guys who have won fights by taking opponents down consistently, even when their opponents know that that is their plan. Peireira struggled a lot against Jan's wrestling, who is not on the same level as any of them in grappling.


So I think at least 2 if not 3 guys in Bellator "COULD" beat Alex Peireira. They'd be more worthy challengers than Hill and Rountree (who did well).
 
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Doctor Grudge said:
Ferreira is 6'8 and 265 pounds. How is he a litmus test for what Alex Peireira would do other than hit very hard? Alex is nowhere near as big or a strong as Ferreira, few people are.

Bader is too old to make 205 again, but Bader from a few years ago would be a serious problem. Also, Bader layed and prayed Kongo at HW, who is actually a good wrestler for a striker (he himself is boring af).

We're in an era where the UFC is afraid to match Ank, who is not a great wrestler with Alex. Corey Anderson was able to take down Vadim Nemkov at will in their first fight, so he certainly could make Alex fall down, no touching leg hyperbole is needed. How else has Corey Anderson beat his opponents?

Phil Davis has never been hurt to my knowledge or knocked out. He has no problems about fighting lame, which is why he is in Bellator in the first place. He is probably the absolute worst fight for Alex in the world.


3 high level wrestlers and a world champion in Sambo are bigger problems for Alex than anyone in the UFC. These are guys who have won fights by taking opponents down consistently, even when their opponents know that that is their plan. Peireira struggled a lot against Jan's wrestling, who is not on the same level as any of them in grappling.


So I think at least 2 if not 3 guys in Bellator "COULD" beat Alex Peireira. They'd be more worthy challengers than Hill and Rountree (who did well).
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Ferreira's TDD is awful, the guy got wrestlefuckd by natural LHW Klidson Abreu. A wrestler in their prime should be able to do that to him.

I agree that Ankalaev is a massive threat to him but he's a different level to current Bader (although he's not a threat if he follows through with his promise to stand and bang with him)

Corey is just chinny, do I think he could have some success against Poatan? Potentially. Do I think he can get through 5 rounds without being nuked? Very unlikely imo.

Davis like I say would have been interesting in his prime because I think the guy that took a three round leathering from Rumble had arguably the best chin in the history of the sport. But he's much older, quite a bit slower and doesn't wrestle as much now.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
Ferreira's TDD is awful, the guy got wrestlefuckd by natural LHW Klidson Abreu. A wrestler in their prime should be able to do that to him.

I agree that Ankalaev is a massive threat to him but he's a different level to current Bader (although he's not a threat if he follows through with his promise to stand and bang with him)

Corey is just chinny, do I think he could have some success against Poatan? Potentially. Do I think he can get through 5 rounds without being nuked? Very unlikely imo.

Davis like I say would have been interesting in his prime because I think the guy that took a three round leathering from Rumble had arguably the best chin in the history of the sport. But he's much older, quite a bit slower and doesn't wrestle as much now.
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Corey would likely be able to do good GNP though. There is a gap in their grappling most likely, so I don't think he'd just be doing straight lay and pray.

I'm not sure if I would favor Corey, because quite frankly, I don't know how good Alex takedown defense is atm.

But if Corey were in the UFC and they hadn't been matched at this point, people would definitely heavily speculate that Corey would be his boogeyman, the same way they do with Ank.
 
Doctor Grudge said:
Corey would likely be able to do good GNP though. There is a gap in their grappling most likely, so I don't think he'd just be doing straight lay and pray.

I'm not sure if I would favor Corey, because quite frankly, I don't know how good Alex takedown defense is atm.

But if Corey were in the UFC and they hadn't been matched at this point, people would definitely heavily speculate that Corey would be his boogeyman, the same way they do with Ank.
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I don't think Corey does enough damage to finish fights enough personally. So he'd have the issue that he'd have to start every round on the feet with him. I just don't see him getting it done.

I think you want someone who'll basically try to immediately maul him once they get on the ground. I think the Ares champ Abdulrakhman Yakhyaev would be an interesting candidate, but by the time he gets to the position to fight Poatan I dunno if Poatan will still be there.
 
There isn't a universe where Corey Anderson beats Poatan.
Nemkov could maybe lnp him, but even that is doubtful. Distance with octogenerian Romero and Corey. Who is his best win again? A waning Davis. He'd have a 25% shot at surviving 25 minutes.
The world's best LHW has hands of stone.
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orca said:
his ko power diminishes when someone grabs a hold of him and try to take him down
and tire him
jan lost a razor thin sharp decision against poatan
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That was his first fight at LHW. He will keep getting better since every training camp is a chance to improve his grappling.
 
Doctor Grudge said:
All those rankings will always favor the UFC champion though. You didn't really mention why they ranked him higher.

Nemkov beat Davis, Bader, and Anderson.

Those guys pretty much left the UFC because they were boring fighters and needed to get paid in Bellator. Not because they weren't good enough.

For perspective, Phil Davis, Corey Anderson, and the late Rumble Johnson all beat Glover Teixeira when he was in his prime.

Glover is a recent LHW champion, who toward the end of his career barely lost his belt to Jiri in an all out war. Jiri is Poaton's best win at 205 by a lot.


So this means that Bellator's best LHW's were definitely good enough to be champs in the UFC. Nemkov proved to be the best of all of them. He struggled against Anderson a lot in the first fight, but in the rematch he had improved to the point where he could beat him rather convincingly.

And if someone says Corey Anderson was bad, then no, he was boring and not marketed well. He was good, and for his age he was excellent. v People always forget fighters are not in their primes in their 20s in MMA, Corey left the UFC when he turned 30, so he was better in Bellator than in the UFC.


Someone like Phil Davis would have beaten many guys in 205, including Alex Peireira. He'd also beat the audience down by putting everyone to sleep.


Nemkov is not a 205er anymore, but when he was there he was the best for quite a few years. In before someone mentions he lost to Jiri at HW 10 years ago.

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Nemkov improved to win the bellator belt since he fought prochazka but prochazka stayed the same or got worse and won the UFC belt?
 
svmr_db said:
Aspinall would run through Pereira in under 5 minutes lol who are you fooling <lmao>
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Aspinall is fast for a HW but he won’t seem that fast to a LHW coming up. Plus he has a big head, easy target for that left hand.
 
WoozyFailGuy said:
There isn't a universe where Corey Anderson beats Poatan.
Nemkov could maybe lnp him, but even that is doubtful. Distance with octogenerian Romero and Corey. Who is his best win again? A waning Davis. He'd have a 25% shot at surviving 25 minutes.
The world's best LHW has hands of stone.
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Bader is a better win than Davis, no? He had a couple of “snatch defeat from the jaws of victory” moments like when he fought Tito and Glover, but overall he has a really good resume, and did more than ok in UFC.

Between his Glover loss and Nemkov fight, Bader went 12-1-1, only losing to Rumble, and defeating Fejaio, OSP, Phil Davis x2, Latifi, Rashad, Linton Vassell, King Mo, Mitrione, and Fedor. That’s quite a run.
He also had previous wins over Little Nog, Rampage, and Jardine on his resume.
 
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Fergelmince said:
Nemkov improved to win the bellator belt since he fought prochazka but prochazka stayed the same or got worse and won the UFC belt?
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No, I did not say that. They both improved because fighters do not peak at 22 years old. That's why it is pointless to reference their fight when they were younger.

The same year Nemkov lost to Jiri, Alex Peirreira was choked out by Quemuel Ottoni. It's hypocritical to use Nemkov's loss to Jiri as a way of saying Poatan > Nemkov, it makes no sense at all.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
There's levels to juicing lol. Antatoly is on some piss cup melting shit.
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What was he on? I'm only finding:

"In 2013, he won gold at the President Cup of Buryatia Republic in freestyle wrestling and placed third at the Russian national championship as a heavyweight. Malykhin was later disqualified for two years because he did not appear for doping tests.

Sounds like the time Jones hid under the cage in his gym lol
 
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Striker Fox said:
What was he on? I'm only finding:

"In 2013, he won gold at the President Cup of Buryatia Republic in freestyle wrestling and placed third at the Russian national championship as a heavyweight. Malykhin was later disqualified for two years because he did not appear for doping tests.

Sounds like the time Jones hid under the cage in his gym lol
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He fights in ONE for a reason, put it that way.
 
Koro_11 said:
I don’t know who’s better because they never fought, the only thing I do know for sure is that Alex is better than Izzy… about 3 times better.
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The good old deflection. LOL. So predictable. Don’t ever change
 
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