Nemkov or Poatan

[checktheknuckles]

Nemkov clearly got the better of Jiri in that round. He obviously wasn’t ready/conditioned for a 10 minute first round, so yeah, Jiri got the win. It’s just silly how this fight gets brought up any time Nemkov is discussed. It was his 6th pro fight.

Wouldn't be a big deal but Jiri made him retire. Imagine what Poaton does to him.

 

[BFoe]

Wouldn't be a big deal but Jiri made him retire. Imagine what Poaton does to him.

I just think there’s a number of problems with drawing that conclusion.
The two biggest are:

1. That happened in a 10-minute first round, which wouldn’t be an issue in the UFC.
2. Jiri pushes a fast and chaotic pace, and Poatan really does not. He does make guys back up, sure, but he doesn’t push a pace that gasses guys out.

Aside from that, I think it’s really difficult to draw a conclusion from Nemkov’s 6th fight like that, when we’ve seen him go 25 minutes multiple times without gassing. Corey Anderson and Phil Davis are two very athletic, wrestling-based dudes to deal with for 25 minutes.

 

[pinero]

This is ridiculous, the guy went through hell with a 46 years old Romero, 16 years older than him!!!!! lost the 5th round!!!!!!!! and some people thinks he can beat Pereira

 

[BFoe]

This is ridiculous, the guy went through hell with a 46 years old Romero, 16 years older than him!!!!! lost the 5th round!!!!!!!! and some people thinks he can beat Pereira

He didn’t “go through hell” though lol. Romero did some occasionally tricky shit on the way to losing 49-46.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

So Prochazka was better than Nemkov when he beat Nemkov, and your saying Nemkov got WAY better but Prochazka only got a little better and won the UFC belt?

Literacy is very low around these parts. That isn't what I said, but clearly you're conditioned to using fallacies.

If it needs to be spelled out, they both increased from prospects to world championship level fighters. Just because Vadim lost to Jiri in a close fight when they were 22, does not mean Jiri ended up better than him today. I am fairly certain you watch sports, and know this.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Gotta love the U FIGHT CHEAP fanboys in this thread who claim Poatan easily beats Nemkov when Poatan recently lost to 41 year old journey man Jan Blachowicz.

These little fanboys are so insecure lol. Nemkov would rip Poatans arm off and beat him over the head with it.

Come on dude, whatever point you're trying to make calling UFC and KSW champion Jan Blachowicz a journeyman is stupid.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Yeah for sure. He snatched defeat from the jaws of victory against Glover too.
But all in all, he’s a damn good fighter. He’s beaten a lot of great names, and really only lost to great names.

I think the issue with later career Bader is that once he'd fought at heavyweight a few times his body didn't handle the cut to light heavyweight well at all. Remember when he got stiffened by Corey of all people lol.

 

[SuperAlly]

UFC fanboy chump

UFC hater chumps massively overrated Mousasi when he was out of the UFC. And doing similar with Nemkov

 

[SuperAlly]

Gotta love the U FIGHT CHEAP fanboys in this thread who claim Poatan easily beats Nemkov when Poatan recently lost to 41 year old journey man Jan Blachowicz.

These little fanboys are so insecure lol. Nemkov would rip Poatans arm off and beat him over the head with it.

Yes, because lying about actual results certainly screams “secure”

 

[BFoe]

I think the issue with later career Bader is that once he'd fought at heavyweight a few times his body didn't handle the cut to light heavyweight well at all. Remember when he got stiffened by Corey of all people lol.

Yeah I agree with that, plus I think Bader was past his peak a bit. In fairness to Corey though, Corey does have a decent number of TKO wins and was in the middle of a little streak of them at the time, if I remember right.

 

[Fergelmince]

All those rankings will always favor the UFC champion though. You didn't really mention why they ranked him higher.

Nemkov beat Davis, Bader, and Anderson.

Those guys pretty much left the UFC because they were boring fighters and needed to get paid in Bellator. Not because they weren't good enough.

For perspective, Phil Davis, Corey Anderson, and the late Rumble Johnson all beat Glover Teixeira when he was in his prime.

Glover is a recent LHW champion, who toward the end of his career barely lost his belt to Jiri in an all out war. Jiri is Poaton's best win at 205 by a lot.


So this means that Bellator's best LHW's were definitely good enough to be champs in the UFC. Nemkov proved to be the best of all of them. He struggled against Anderson a lot in the first fight, but in the rematch he had improved to the point where he could beat him rather convincingly.

And if someone says Corey Anderson was bad, then no, he was boring and not marketed well. He was good, and for his age he was excellent. v People always forget fighters are not in their primes in their 20s in MMA, Corey left the UFC when he turned 30, so he was better in Bellator than in the UFC.


Someone like Phil Davis would have beaten many guys in 205, including Alex Peireira. He'd also beat the audience down by putting everyone to sleep.


Nemkov is not a 205er anymore, but when he was there he was the best for quite a few years. In before someone mentions he lost to Jiri at HW 10 years ago.

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Literacy is very low around these parts. That isn't what I said, but clearly you're conditioned to using fallacies.

If it needs to be spelled out, they both increased from prospects to world championship level fighters. Just because Vadim lost to Jiri in a close fight when they were 22, does not mean Jiri ended up better than him today. I am fairly certain you watch sports, and know this.

I just want to make sure I am following your logic, because, yes, you may not have said everything I asked above, but there were a lot of implications in your original post.

What you are implying is ---> Bader, Davis and Anderson lost to nemkov but beat Texeira ---> Texeira was the UFC's LHW champ at 41yo ---> THEREFORE nemkov is likely better than Prochazka now because Prochazka had a razor-thin win over Texeira ---> even though nemkov lost to Prochazka nine years ago ---> AND everything said above makes a strong argument that the UFC LHW division is not that great now THEREFORE nemkov is better than Pereiraj.

Do I understand your point based on your statements and the implications in your original post correct?

 

[BowserJr]

This is ridiculous, the guy went through hell with a 46 years old Romero, 16 years older than him!!!!! lost the 5th round!!!!!!!! and some people thinks he can beat Pereira

I like Romero but he got owned in that fight

 

[BowserJr]

I just want to make sure I am following your logic, because, yes, you may not have said everything I asked above, but there were a lot of implications in your original post.

What you are implying is ---> Bader, Davis and Anderson lost to nemkov but beat Texeira ---> Texeira was the UFC's LHW champ at 41yo ---> THEREFORE nemkov is likely better than Prochazka now because Prochazka had a razor-thin win over Texeira ---> even though nemkov lost to Prochazka nine years ago ---> AND everything said above makes a strong argument that the UFC LHW division is not that great now THEREFORE nemkov is better than Pereiraj.

Do I understand your point based on your statements and the implications in your original post correct?

I agree with everything except I do t know is Nemkov could beat Perreira cuz of the reach and death touch.

Only Nemkov and Jones have the ability to beat IMO... out of active fighters (yes I know both are HW now but they were LHW before)

Looking at all LHW from the past I think Anderson, Rampage and Chuck would have solid chances with their granite chins.

Due to grappling/wrestling and decent enough chins I think Arona, Tito, Randy, Shogun and Rashad would have a solid chance too

 

[Thatlookinhiseyes]

Lhw and hw are the two divisions that have not progressed at all. Excluding Jon jones, I really don’t think there’s a champ today that you could definitely say could beat the champs for mid 2000’s era. Take Jiri and hill and put them against lidellzc wand, shogun, rampage, Henderson. Not happening. Again excluding jones, at HW, Aspinall and gane could beat fedor, big nog, hell even big timmeh? Francis I can see but only because of his insane power