Nemkov or Poatan

[mister piscadinha]

back in amateur days they did

they had a 15 minute hug match where ankalaev won by being on top of the hug a bit more than nemkov was

imagine calling that "domination"

 

[NicholasJBasile]

IMO Nemkov was the best LHW in recent years. He has the best combination of high overall skill at multiple disciplines and mixes it all very well. Yeah he's HW now but IMO he's too small.

Anyways would you rank him as better than Poatan skillwise?

Obviously Poatan striking us superior but overall do you think hisstriking skill is so superior that it outweighs Nemkovs overall skill?

I feel that stylistically, Poatan beats Nemkov, but that Nemkov is the better overall MMA fighter. He has better defensive wrestling imo

 

[NicholasJBasile]

All those rankings will always favor the UFC champion though. You didn't really mention why they ranked him higher.

Nemkov beat Davis, Bader, and Anderson.

Those guys pretty much left the UFC because they were boring fighters and needed to get paid in Bellator. Not because they weren't good enough.

For perspective, Phil Davis, Corey Anderson, and the late Rumble Johnson all beat Glover Teixeira when he was in his prime.

Glover is a recent LHW champion, who toward the end of his career barely lost his belt to Jiri in an all out war. Jiri is Poaton's best win at 205 by a lot.


So this means that Bellator's best LHW's were definitely good enough to be champs in the UFC. Nemkov proved to be the best of all of them. He struggled against Anderson a lot in the first fight, but in the rematch he had improved to the point where he could beat him rather convincingly.

And if someone says Corey Anderson was bad, then no, he was boring and not marketed well. He was good, and for his age he was excellent. v People always forget fighters are not in their primes in their 20s in MMA, Corey left the UFC when he turned 30, so he was better in Bellator than in the UFC.


Someone like Phil Davis would have beaten many guys in 205, including Alex Peireira. He'd also beat the audience down by putting everyone to sleep.


Nemkov is not a 205er anymore, but when he was there he was the best for quite a few years. In before someone mentions he lost to Jiri at HW 10 years ago.

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Very well put

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Nemkov should have to grapple.. A LOT.

Pereira is by far the better striker

 

[Carrotman23]

Unless Nemkov can wrestle fuck him for 3-5 rounds Poatan finishes him. He had a competitive fight with Romero..

There was a time when I thought Nemkov was the second best LHW in the world (after Jones who was still at LHW at the time) , but his recent performances have shown that to be a very very flawed take ha, he hasn't gotten better in the last couple of years while Potan continues to peak.

Plus Nemkov is a lot smaller then Potan, he'd get clipped easy .

 

[kingmob6]

they had a 15 minute hug match where ankalaev won by being on top of the hug a bit more than nemkov was

imagine calling that "domination"

That is a domination. Ankalaev was on top for 70% of the fight. You still green.

 

[Koro_11]

The good old deflection. LOL. So predictable. Don’t ever change

No need for deflection I can answer your question, I think Nemkov is more well rounded than Pereira and should be the better grappler, but he’s also predominantly a striker who would be at a significant disadvantage in the standup so I wouldn’t feel at all confident putting any money on him in that fight.

So the honest answer is I don’t know and neither do you.

 

[Greyscale]

Nemkov is bush league trash

 

[mkt]

Nemkov beat Davis, Bader, and Anderson.

Those guys pretty much left the UFC because they were boring fighters and needed to get paid in Bellator. Not because they weren't good enough.

He beat Davis and Bader years after their primes. They spent their prime years (late 20s and early 30s) in the UFC. None of them (including Anderson) ever even earned a title shot in the UFC, either.

Beating Izzy and Strickland at MW on top of what Poatan has done at LHW is more impressive than beating a 46-year old Yoel and a few other washed UFC guys. And I'll be the first to admit LHW is very weak right now in the UFC and everywhere else.

 

[CatchtheseHands]

There was a time when I thought Nemkov was the second best LHW in the world (after Jones who was still at LHW at the time) , but his recent performances have shown that to be a very very flawed take ha, he hasn't gotten better in the last couple of years while Potan continues to peak.

Plus Nemkov is a lot smaller then Potan, he'd get clipped easy .

Yeah he is a skilled guy and could give quite a lot of guys fits at LHW in the UFC but he would be very hard pressed to beat anyone at the very top of the division IMO. Especially considering he's already been finished by Jiri in the past. I know it was quite a long time ago but still, like you said he hasn't really shown us anything lately that would make us think otherwise.

 

[Shay Brennan]

Nemkov was the best and most skilled LHW in the world for some time before he decided to move up to HW.

Ankalaev is the most skilled LHW in UFC today.
If he decides to wrestle early instead of strike then Poatan's chances of winning drop significantly.

Also what's worth mentioning is that even with a compromised leg , Ankalaev was able to take Jan down and control him, even score a 10-8 round.
Jan has better BJJ than Poatan and they have similar TDD.

All in all, whoever wins the wrestling exchanges will win the fight.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

Nemkov is bush league trash

Still crying little man?

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

He beat Davis and Bader years after their primes. They spent their prime years (late 20s and early 30s) in the UFC. None of them (including Anderson) ever even earned a title shot in the UFC, either.

Beating Izzy and Strickland at MW on top of what Poatan has done at LHW is more impressive than beating a 46-year old Yoel and a few other washed UFC guys. And I'll be the first to admit LHW is very weak right now in the UFC and everywhere else.

UFC fanboy chump

 

[Fact Checker]

I’ve seen Nemkov quit in fights when things aren’t going his way… it’s in his fight DNA. I think Alex TKO’s him.


Nemkov quit against Jiri and he quit against Corey Anderson. I’ve seen him fight scared and blatantly point fight his way to decisions against opponents well past their prime. He’s good, but he’s not the best. His cardio is also very sus.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

Gotta love the U FIGHT CHEAP fanboys in this thread who claim Poatan easily beats Nemkov when Poatan recently lost to 41 year old journey man Jan Blachowicz.

These little fanboys are so insecure lol. Nemkov would rip Poatans arm off and beat him over the head with it.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

I’ve seen Nemkov quit in fights when things aren’t going his way… it’s in his fight DNA. I think Alex TKO’s him.

 

[Fact Checker]

Gotta love the U FIGHT CHEAP fanboys in this thread who claim Poatan easily beats Nemkov when Poatan recently lost to 41 year old journey man Jan Blachowicz.

These little fanboys are so insecure lol. Nemkov would rip Poatans arm off and beat him over the head with it.

Jiri made this dude quit in a fight… never seen anything like it from a supposed “championship” caliber fighter.


Bro literally quit on the stool against Jiri… wild lol.

 

[Ara tech]

Nemkov could maul Peirera for five rounds and finish him. He really improved his game.
Peirera only bring a puncher chance to Nemkov.

If Peirera wanted to be strong in wrestling, he would had to move up to heavyweight.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Jiri made this dude quit in a fight… never seen anything like it from a supposed “championship” caliber fighter.


Bro literally quit on the stool against Jiri… wild lol.

I mean BJ Penn quit on the stool too. Was he not a championship caliber fighter?

Also, Nemkov wasn't a championship caliber fighter 10 years ago. That same year, Alex Peireira was choked out Quemuel Ottoni, who is a regional level fighter.

You're saying that Nemkov isn't that good because he quits all the time when things get tough, but he hasn't lost in 8 years, including fights that you claimed were competitive (so wouldn't that mean he didn't crumble in front of adversity?).


The fact that people have to keep bringing up a loss Nemkov had 10 years ago feels like evidence that Nemkov is rather difficult to discredit. Whenver people cling on to one exception to form a narrative in front of a large sample size saying otherwise, it's pretty telling.

Funny thing is, people are crapping on Bellator because of that, but Jiri lost to a Bellator fighter in that same tournament...



The standard still makes no sense. One side is talking about a fight in 2015, while ignoring that Alex Peireira lost in the same year to a guy who is a scrub.

 

[Last Falconry]

I refuse to allow beating Ryan Bader to be a noteworthy win. Although I realize now that Pereira vs Bader would possibly be the funniest fight in history