Money aside, what is wrong with Trump's wall?

KBE6EKCTAH_CCP said:
You as in "your country".

Kind of like when you used "we" for "we have a wall".

Man, wtf am I wasting my time on ?
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Lol. Get out. Illegals don't just walk across the borders. 40% of our illegals (at least) fly here. 30 of Mexicans fly here. Roughly 90-95 of all illegal Mexicans here arrived here in an automobile or boat

Meaning what's the point of building a giant super wall that will keep at most 5% of the problem at bay. 5% at most.

Such a stupid idea lol
 
Handsomebwonderfull said:
Lol. Get out. Illegals don't just walk across the borders. 40% of our illegals (at least) fly here. 30 of Mexicans fly here. Roughly 90-95 of all illegal Mexicans here arrived here in an automobile or boat

Meaning what's the point of building a giant super wall that will keep at most 5% of the problem at bay. 5% at most.

Such a stupid idea lol
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Now I doubt that very much. Please post source that would confirm your figures. Not what I have heard at all.
 
Handsomebwonderfull said:
Lol. Get out. Illegals don't just walk across the borders. 40% of our illegals (at least) fly here. 30 of Mexicans fly here. Roughly 90-95 of all illegal Mexicans here arrived here in an automobile or boat

Meaning what's the point of building a giant super wall that will keep at most 5% of the problem at bay. 5% at most.

Such a stupid idea lol
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I didn't realize cars can teleport through walls. Weird.
 
The only thing wrong with the wall is the entire concept of needing one.
 
The problem would be that, because net undocumented migration is zero and has been since 2008 or 9, border patrol numbers reached record levels a few years back, and technology makes surveillance easier than ever, a wall adds nothing to the conversation except a logistical pain in the ass.
 
Higus said:
Money is a huge issue, as well as logistics, so it's hard to simply ignore it. Combine the cost of the wall's construction and ongoing maintenance (because this country has a really good track record of maintaining infrastructure, amirite?), and the realistic effectiveness as a deterrent, and it's just not worth it.
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No kidding. This is a pretty bad hypothetical, asking people to ignore what may be the largest drawback.
 
The wall itself is a waste of time and money, would be a laughable eyesore failure.

Other than that the illegal immigration argument from the economic side is interesting. Can find studies supporting both sides that it is either positive or negative for the economy, although the negative arguments seem to be pretty shallow and focus on net revenue deficit from tax revenue paid vs benefits utilized by immigrants. Not so much on what happens with the markets.

My opinion is that it's just an emotionally charged hot button issue used to manipulate voters
 
I think we should build a moat too in case they get over the wall, filled with sharks and crocodiles, maybe a mine field after that.

If anyone makes it through all that then fuck it, they deserve to be let in.
 
i like the wall. I want a northern wall aswell. I am tired of Canadians swimming across Niagara falls to get some Sonic.
 
Money aside - there's nothing wrong with Trump's wall.

People who criticize the idea simply don't want to credit anything Trump says as having merit. It's intellectually shallow. Is the wall the most effective method of stopping illegal immigrants from entering the nation, maybe, maybe not. Will a wall done right have a significant effect on the ability to illegally enter the nation? Absolutely. Does any of that change just because Trump said it? Only if you're irrationally anti-Trump.

Now when you put money back into the equation, things change.
 
panamaican said:
Money aside - there's nothing wrong with Trump's wall.

People who criticize the idea simply don't want to credit anything Trump says as having merit. It's intellectually shallow. Is the wall the most effective method of stopping illegal immigrants from entering the nation, maybe, maybe not. Will a wall done right have a significant effect on the ability to illegally enter the nation? Absolutely. Does any of that change just because Trump said it? Only if you're irrationally anti-Trump.

Now when you put money back into the equation, things change.
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LOL @ removing a critical element and then calling it irrational to criticize so you can sneak in some angry Trump-pump. Trump voters. He's even getting the smart ones all fucked up. SMFH.
 
Work Play said:
LOL @ removing a critical element and then calling it irrational to criticize so you can sneak in some angry Trump-pump. Trump voters. He's even getting the smart ones all fucked up. SMFH.
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It's a hypothetical. Criticizing the premise of the hypo doesn't make sense to me. Isn't this how plenty of problems get solved?

If X wasn't a factor, would Y still be a good idea? If "yes" then can we find a way to deal with X and make it less of a factor? If "no" then let's find something else.

If a wall is an effective strategy, money aside, then you can ask the next question which is "Is there a smart way to handle the money aspect?" That's another yes/no question. If the answer is "no" then the project lacks merit. But if people never even explore the possibility of "yes" then they're closing a door irresponsibly.

Lots of great ideas arise precisely because people try to find a way to get to a good outcome by addressing the biggest hurdle in a more creative way. The money is the biggest hurdle here but the money isn't the idea. It's the barrier to the idea.
 
As some other posters have said, I do find it funny that a lot of people don't realize that many, many illegals come here by plane (ex: come here saying they are visiting for 2 weeks, but just don't leave) or by getting smuggled in. The wall doesn't stop that from occurring.

So even if we say "hey let's ignore for a second the amount of money and time needed for this wall" there is still the question of whether this will even be effective.
 
panamaican said:
Money aside - there's nothing wrong with Trump's wall.

People who criticize the idea simply don't want to credit anything Trump says as having merit. It's intellectually shallow. Is the wall the most effective method of stopping illegal immigrants from entering the nation, maybe, maybe not. Will a wall done right have a significant effect on the ability to illegally enter the nation? Absolutely. Does any of that change just because Trump said it? Only if you're irrationally anti-Trump.

Now when you put money back into the equation, things change.
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Just none of that is true. There are several issues with the wall besides the monetary amount it would cost and the fact that Trump proposed it.

The most obvious is the fact of the varying topography of the area. A lot of these areas do not offer structurally accommodating environments to building a fence, let alone a wall. It's not just a long line of plains and deserts; there's a stretch of varying mountains, marshes, and other land types that would cost much more time, money, and environmental impact to build on.

Second is building off the first point, which is environmental impact. We can rarely do anything small without causing environmental harm, it's obvious that such an ambitiously large project would have a more devestating affect on the area.

Also, the US doesn't own all the land that the wall would be built on; several locations are owned by private citizens, and the US would have to pretty much buy out or steal the land to build something on it that the owners would not want.

Then there is the fact that anything built is rather easily circumvented. Going under or over is likely, unless you build it as high as the sky and deep as hell; it's probably not going to stop anyone that really wanted over anyway. So you have to add in the man hours of constant patrolling and maintenance, which is just outlandish.
 
Handsomebwonderfull said:
Lol. Get out. Illegals don't just walk across the borders. 40% of our illegals (at least) fly here. 30 of Mexicans fly here. Roughly 90-95 of all illegal Mexicans here arrived here in an automobile or boat

Meaning what's the point of building a giant super wall that will keep at most 5% of the problem at bay. 5% at most.

Such a stupid idea lol
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Link for these numbers?
 
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