Money aside, what is wrong with Trump's wall?

[Codger]

I'm a Brit with no dog in the US electoral fight and Trump does seem to be a bit of a loon from where I'm standing but I was arguing with someone recently about immigration and they chipped in with "oh right well maybe we should build a wall like Trump wants to". And I had me thinking - other than it not being financially viable, what is actually wrong with having a wall to separate a border exactly?

I've had videos on Facebook posted at me likening it to the Berlin wall and the Israeli one but seems to me that various countries have borders, fences, border patrols and so on?

What is inherently wrong or inhumane about such a thing?

 

[Space]

Nothing; all the outrage is just moral virtue signalling.

We already have a crappy fence/wall along much of the border, started under Bill Clinton. It's not like there's nothing out there.

Here's what we have:

 

[gigantalor]

There's nothing wrong with the wall. Like you said, lots of countries protect their borders. But the left likes to pretend that it makes Trump "racist."

And for anyone to compare it to the Berlin wall is absurd.

 

[Last Samurai]

Absolutely nothing


Some may say it's irresponsible to spend billions of dollars on a wall that ultimately won't change a thing, considering the crippled state of economy, but they're overlooking all the potential revenue that increased tourism will bring.

How many millions of people visit the great wall of China each year? With a bit of Trump branding this wall could become the biggest tourist attraction the world has ever seen! Trump is a genius

 

[Clippy]

Just replace Mongolian with Mexican/Canadian

Seriously, to build a wall of this scope it will have to be made on the cheap and probably mostly paper mache

I heard Trump in an interview somewhere say "It's going to be a fabulous wall! I'm going to put my name on it"

ffs what a clown

He's appealing to the most paranoid/racist americans who are scared to death of every possible Muslim and

 

[ShadowRun]

Nothing, peoples say " they will just dig under it or it won't stop them" but it is a deterrent and a layer of defense. People have fences around their homes , besides for keeping animals in does it stop a person from jumping it to get what they want ? Also is a loud message. Being from South AZ by the border, I really hope he builds it when he is president.

 

[Codger]

Just replace Mongolian with Mexican/Canadian

Seriously, to build a wall of this scope it will have to be made on the cheap and probably mostly paper mache

I heard Trump in an interview somewhere say "It's going to be a fabulous wall! I'm going to put my name on it"

ffs what a clown

He's appealing to the most paranoid/racist americans who are scared to death of every possible Muslim and

All fair points but I did say money aside - it doesn't sound financially viable or necessarily any more effective than the fences already there. My question was really what's so immoral about it?

 

[Bloodworth]

A wall would have prevented any illegal In jail currently for rape and murder to dwi and car accidents.

There is a huge problem in America, there are so many illegals they have gangs like ms13. What 1st world country allows that

 

[Clippy]

All fair points but I did say money aside - it doesn't sound financially viable or necessarily any more effective than the fences already there. My question was really what's so immoral about it?

It just screams fear and paranoia and shows how bad off most Americans are, that to fix a problem just put a wall around it, build it higher etc

The rednecks have a louder voice than ever with Trump and he's really bringing out the worst of America to the forefront if you ask me.

Make America great again or make america 1852 again.

Seriously, watch the calendar, if Trump is elected time will start going backwards.

 

[spin]

For a wall to be effective it needs to be adequately manned. Otherwise it presents an obstacle, not a dead end.

However, if you have the adequate of people, you don't need the wall

 

[Gomi1977]

There is a huge problem in America, there are so many illegals they have gangs like ms13. What 1st world country allows that

MS13 was founded in the 1980s by legal immigrants.

 

[King Joffery]

Because the left are idealists and not realists. They believe walls represent divisiveness and that the progressive thing to do is to tear down walls so that all cultures can live together in harmony holding hands. They are naive children, unfortunately a lot of them never grow out of it.

 

[TheComebackKid]

Because the left are idealists and not realists. They believe walls represent divisiveness and that the progressive thing to do is to tear down walls so that all cultures can live together in harmony holding hands. They are naive children, unfortunately a lot of them never grow out of it.

Naive children indeed

 

[ShadowRun]

It just screams fear and paranoia and shows how bad off most Americans are, that to fix a problem just put a wall around it, build it higher etc

The rednecks have a louder voice than ever with Trump and he's really bringing out the worst of America to the forefront if you ask me.

Make America great again or make america 1852 again.

Seriously, watch the calendar, if Trump is elected time will start going backwards.

1852 again when immigration was more open? I know you got a hard on for Trump but you can do better than this.

 

[Luger]

 

[Clippy]

1852 again when immigration was more open? I know you got a hard on for Trump but you can do better than this.

I was just trying to come up with the most racist year I could think of.

Little effort was given as always

 

[oldshadow]

There is nothing wrong with having a wall/fence.

It will not be 100% effective at stopping illegals and drugs crossing.

No one in their right mind believes it will stop everyone as that's not the point.

The point is to make it as difficult as possible to cross and easer to stop the ones that do try by pushing them into very difficult areas to try and cross.

So you don't need the fence the length of the border, you just need to fence the easer parts to cross and let nature fence the remaining.

 

[ShadowRun]

I was just trying to come up with the most racist year I could think of.

Little effort was given as always

BC anytime -1880 AD?

 

[ironwolf]

Money aside....it just won't work.

I have no moral issue with it...but it won't work, we do t have enough border patrol people to monitor it.

I know you said money aside, but it's a waste of money and it will become a long term repair project for the tax payers.

 

[Clippy]

BC anytime -1880 AD?

I meant in terms of the USA