Money aside, what is wrong with Trump's wall?

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

It just screams fear and paranoia and shows how bad off most Americans are, that to fix a problem just put a wall around it, build it higher etc

The rednecks have a louder voice than ever with Trump and he's really bringing out the worst of America to the forefront if you ask me.

Make America great again or make america 1852 again.

Seriously, watch the calendar, if Trump is elected time will start going backwards.

Lol what an impotent argument.

If the problem is that illegals are crossing the border, then closing the border actually fixes the problem.

Anyways on topic : absolutely nothing wrong with that. Borders define countries and if you don't protect them, (which is the case if millions of illegals cross them every year) you are not protecting them.

There is a trend currently for proponents of mass-immigration / globalists to imply that it is futile to guard borders.

One of the fallacies that people have partly accepted because they have heard them over and over form the left-leaning media.

 

[Limeade]

I'm a Brit with no dog in the US electoral fight and Trump does seem to be a bit of a loon from where I'm standing but I was arguing with someone recently about immigration and they chipped in with "oh right well maybe we should build a wall like Trump wants to". And I had me thinking - other than it not being financially viable, what is actually wrong with having a wall to separate a border exactly?

I've had videos on Facebook posted at me likening it to the Berlin wall and the Israeli one but seems to me that various countries have borders, fences, border patrols and so on?

What is inherently wrong or inhumane about such a thing?

Alright, i got a morality angle for you. There are still sizable tracts of private land on the border. To build the wall, the government would have to buy out or take the land by eminent domain. Would this be heavy handed over reach by the government? Liberals tend to think it's okay to take things and shifts costs in the name of the common good. But let's not forget about the Americans living near the wall --- they have rights too.

Also, would the money spent on upgrading the existing wall, building new wall sections, and staffing it with more guards be better spent on other projects? Everything from improving existing checkpoints, shifting funds for visa and background checks, and defense spending? Or even other national issues, like our infrastructure.winte--- I still have pot holes outside my house from last winter

 

[mygoddotcom]

MS13 was founded in the 1980s by legal immigrants.

one more reason to start revising migration agenda... in USA and Europe

 

[Sakuraba808]

I can't believe people haven't heard about hesco barriers. In afghanistan all bases have walls made from hesco barriers. All you do is dig a big ditch, fill it with concrete so people don't tunnel under and stack up hescos to make a wall. All you do is fill sand into the hesco barriers and you can build a wall as high as you want it to be. A big car bomb exploded near one of our gates at the FOB and didn't even do anything to our wall. They can really work as long as there is something to prevent cartels from digging under it.

 

[Space]

Alright, i got a morality angle for you. There are still sizable tracts of private land on the border. To build the wall, the government would have to buy out or take the land by eminent domain. Would this be heavy handed over reach by the government? Liberals tend to think it's okay to take things and shifts costs in the name of the common good. But let's not forget about the Americans living near the wall --- they have rights too.

Also, would the money spent on upgrading the existing wall, building new wall sections, and staffing it with more guards be better spent on other projects? Everything from improving existing checkpoints, shifting funds for visa and background checks, and defense spending? Or even other national issues, like our infrastructure.winte--- I still have pot holes outside my house from last winter

I'm pretty sure ranchers with property that goes up to the border would appreciate a big-ass wall. Many of them are Minutemen-types who volunteer their time to help the Border Patrol.

 

[Handsomebwonderfull]

It wouldn't work or do anything really

 

[ShadowRun]

Was other real alternatives plans are there to address illegal's and this situation? that also is a talking point.

 

[TheComebackKid]

Money aside....it just won't work.

I have no moral issue with it...but it won't work, we do t have enough border patrol people to monitor it.

I know you said money aside, but it's a waste of money and it will become a long term repair project for the tax payers.

Were $20 trillion in debt and almost every single one of Hillary's proposals call for hundreds of billions in new funding.

If we can come up with trillions of dollars for entitlements, benefits, endless wars, and every initiative under the sun then we can spare $20 billion to secure our fucking border.

And if congress and the American people would back Trump on the remittances idea then we wouldn't even have to pay for it.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Nothing, peoples say " they will just dig under it or it won't stop them" but it is a deterrent and a layer of defense. People have fences around their homes , besides for keeping animals in does it stop a person from jumping it to get what they want ? Also is a loud message. Being from South AZ by the border, I really hope he builds it when he is president.

When your taxes inevitably increase to pay for it I'll bet you won't like so much or see the need as so important.
But the man is just nutty promises he'll break without giving a fuck later.

 

[ShadowRun]

When your taxes inevitably increase to pay for it I'll bet you won't like so much or see the need as so important.
But the man is just nutty promises he'll break without giving a fuck later.

Lol I lived in southern AZ most my of my life so I see the need first hand. my taxes wouldn't go up for that, free college and other entitlements maybe. I don't think it would for that and if they did I wouldn't mind, they have gone up for way more useless spending already.

 

[RhinoRush]

MS13 was founded in the 1980s by legal immigrants.

Good point. Mexicans just shouldn't be allowed in, period.

 

[Broken arrow]

so far, it looks likes the only reasons the "never trump" guys can come up with are-
1. Money
2. Trump is a racist


There's nothing racist about protecting your borders.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

It wouldn't work or do anything really

Sure. You are absolutely right. Borders have never been able to be guarded. EVER.

 

[Handsomebwonderfull]

Sure. You are absolutely right. Borders have never been able to be guarded. EVER.

We already have a wall you goof. How is that working out

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

We already have a wall you goof. How is that working out

Are you guarding your wall ? Do you not believe that your wall can be improved ?

You weakling, are you just going to give up securing your border because the current solution isn't sufficient ?

 

[Bloodworth]

MS13 was founded in the 1980s by legal immigrants.

A wall would have prevented every illegal in jail currently for murder, rape, to dwi and car accidents.
Every job given to an illegal before a citizen and tax all money wasted would have been prevented.
The government is not protecting citizens and need to be charged with aiding and abetting an illegal element

 

[Handsomebwonderfull]

Are you guarding your wall ? Do you not believe that your wall can be improved ?

You weakling, are you just going to give up securing your border because the current solution isn't sufficient ?

Weak. 2/10 should have dropped the me guarding the wall, might have bought it

 

[Higus]

Money is a huge issue, as well as logistics, so it's hard to simply ignore it. Combine the cost of the wall's construction and ongoing maintenance (because this country has a really good track record of maintaining infrastructure, amirite?), and the realistic effectiveness as a deterrent, and it's just not worth it.
It's also hard to ignore that the greatest supporters for it are vocal nationalists, a group which both liberals and moderate republicans are quick to disassociate with.

 

[Cmart]

We already have a wall you goof. How is that working out

We already have pieces of wall.

 

[lfd0311]

Just replace Mongolian with Mexican/Canadian

Seriously, to build a wall of this scope it will have to be made on the cheap and probably mostly paper mache

I heard Trump in an interview somewhere say "It's going to be a fabulous wall! I'm going to put my name on it"

ffs what a clown

He's appealing to the most paranoid/racist americans who are scared to death of every possible Muslim and

LOL, they are taking your jobs. That's what the whole illegal immigration thing has been about from the beginning. Driving down American working wages and increasing profits for rich people and massive corporations. You know, the kinds of people that Leftists claim to be against. It also has been and always will be about breaking American Unions. You know, the kinds of people that Leftists claim to be for that got them elected in the first place. Other than all that ignorant, snarky Liberalism, great post man.....