Opinion Military service should be mandatory

[luckyshot]

Not sure if involuntary nationalism is a sound idea.

Oh, I agree. It should be voluntary, but there should be some strong encouragement for civic engagement. Like I said, significantly reduced tuition at a state school sounds right. This is the kind of thing a lot of people currently join the National Guard to get. Let’s put some non-military options on the table to get a similar deal.

 

[streets ahead]

Please no. It's hard enough dealing with some of the people who want to be here.

 

[Natural Order]

Bone spurs will go up 90%

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[Natural Order]

It should be similar to what the Swiss do imo. Not overtly hardcore but instills enough discipline and integrity to aid in the development of young citizens.

 

[Ichibanner]

Served in the Navy, was honorably discharged from service. No. Compulsory service should not be considered.

I have a few friends who currently serve in the military. It's a shit show right now. The mission has always been the #1 priority. The mission is being hampered by idiots who want to put themselves first.

At my buddy's command there is a girl who brought a BLM flag into the work center and posted it on the wall. She thinks she is being singled out as a young black female and that her superiors are racist for enforcing rules concerning placing / flying flags or banners on Government property. In her mind she's not wrong for going against regs, they're wrong for being "racist".

There is also a male transitioning to female. They did not go through the chain of command to ensure that a name change, change of recorded gender, and proper changes in service record were done prior to them showing up as a woman. Now the command is trying to play catch up on everything from change of e-mail to change in tax forms. Add in the complications of putting a 6' tall "woman" with a penis in female barracks and we're now less focused on the mission then ever.

Both are starting massive shitstorms over their perceived "individual rights" in an organization (US Military) that is not an equal opportunity employer and is shown to not allow individualism at work.

F*ck that. We don't need more of this by forcing pansexual gender-fluid communist-sympathizers into the service..

 

[MusterX]

Imagine raising children in a society whose dominant message is: give to the community and you will be rewarded... talk about a concept that is totally foreign to our current culture.

America is based around the idea of individualism.

 

[Crom Cruach]

in here if you chose civil service

-helping out at fire station
-helping out at retirement home
-helping out at hospital

etc

Working without getting paid is Communism. That is exactly what Marx wanted.

Marxist liberals like you are infecting this forum.

You want me in the military then you make me an offer on the free market.

If I feel the military or civil service pays enough I'll join.

 

[lowlife]

I don't think a military force is necessary for what TS is suggesting. I also don't think it's a horrible idea to require military service for at least a year, somewhere between 16-20.

 

[lowlife]

Served in the Navy, was honorably discharged from service. No. Compulsory service should not be considered.

I have a few friends who currently serve in the military. It's a shit show right now. The mission has always been the #1 priority. The mission is being hampered by idiots who want to put themselves first.

At my buddy's command there is a girl who brought a BLM flag into the work center and posted it on the wall. She thinks she is being singled out as a young black female and that her superiors are racist for enforcing rules concerning placing / flying flags or banners on Government property. In her mind she's not wrong for going against regs, they're wrong for being "racist".

There is also a male transitioning to female. They did not go through the chain of command to ensure that a name change, change of recorded gender, and proper changes in service record were done prior to them showing up as a woman. Now the command is trying to play catch up on everything from change of e-mail to change in tax forms. Add in the complications of putting a 6' tall "woman" with a penis in female barracks and we're now less focused on the mission then ever.

Both are starting massive shitstorms over their perceived "individual rights" in an organization (US Military) that is not an equal opportunity employer and is shown to not allow individualism at work.

F*ck that. We don't need more of this by forcing pansexual gender-fluid communist-sympathizers into the service..

Haha maybe I'll rethink my position. I was just thinking of other countries that do this, all my cousins for example went through mandatory service for two years. But yeah our current cultural climate could be an issue especially since the military is supposed to operate as a cohesive unit.

 

[Ichibanner]

Haha maybe I'll rethink my position. I was just thinking of other countries that do this, all my cousins for example went through mandatory service for two years. But yeah our current cultural climate could be an issue especially since the military is supposed to operate as a cohesive unit.

Yeah, we had gays and lesbians when I served but it wasn't an issue IMO. I was friends with a female 2nd Class Petty Officer who had a smoking hot Marine C-130 pilot girlfriend. They went about the job at hand, were professionals, and let the freak flag fly on their own time and within the confines of military life / regulations. During "don't ask / don't tell" nobody really cared as long as the mission got done.

As time went by we saw more of the individual mentality. The military is a sampling of society so changes are bound to happen. Boot camp is supposed to instill military bearing and discipline to the point that you don't put individuality first. Apparent'y Boot Camp is failing at that and those in leadership roles aren't helping.

 

[SATW]

i served in the idf and saw few that dropped because of the problem that its mandatory
i also saw few saying that they enjoyed it
some people are just not fit to serve and making it mandatory will hurt 1/5
and this will also cause the army to spend way more money because now u are having way more soldiers

i think that the right direction is a volunteer army that is based on high tech(developing and selling) and technology(using robots instead of humans)

 

[Cole train]

Working without getting paid is Communism. That is exactly what Marx wanted.

Marxist liberals like you are infecting this forum.

You want me in the military then you make me an offer on the free market.

If I feel the military or civil service pays enough I'll join.

Im a marxist and a liberal?

Fucking lmao

I just said thats the system here and thats it.And from military point of view its the best option for us to have conscript one,thats all i said

Read a bit more carefully please.

 

[panamaican]

Im a marxist and a liberal?

Fucking lmao

I just said thats the system here and thats it.And from military point of view its the best option for us to have conscript one,thats all i said

Read a bit more carefully please.

A humorous exchange. That highlights how the terms marxist and liberal are being thrown at everything without a moment's thought about if they apply.

On topic, a year of mandatory civic engagement sounds great but I see how it would ever be allowed constitutionally in the U.S. At least a year of military service can be justified under the public defense. But civil services don't rise to that level.

 

[MusterX]

Well maybe a national service then. Something parallel to the military.

Why should the people be forced to serve the state? Seems backwards.

 

[Cole train]

Why should the people be forced to serve the state? Seems backwards.

Like yeah there literally is no point to civil service really.

In here its just to keep people in the army (would rather shoot guns than work in elders home)

 

[Ultra O’Dia]

Why should anybody with a C average and above be in the military?

first of all, the fucking arrogance. Typical.

Secondly, all you assholes do is complain about cops and military. You would think bringing your wondrous fountain of intellect into serious situations would be a boon to mankind.

But no, the truth is this - leftyfucks are all soft, aristocratic wannabes. You want to complain about the real elites like Trump, about capitalism, yet you also want poor people to be under you to do your dirty work because you are a soft, fleshy pussy. Armchair socialists are the ultimate hypocrites and snobs, and they are everywhere today. Some hard work and a gut check would do you wonders.

 

[brother mouzone]

The last thing our military needs is people who don't even want to be there. Our standards would have to lower to accommodate all the snowflake Marxists

 

[MusterX]

Hilarious considering how the Murkan military is like 25x bigger than the next biggest competitor, has a virtual unlimited budget that gets increased every year and never gets audited.

And despite all this it loses in war games to Russia and China.

China is decades behind the capabilities of the U.S., Russia not as much but still not really even close in terms of technology and logistics. The U.S. would beat the piss out of either one of them in a conventional war.

 

[lfd0311]

Or you could not join the military and spend on infrastructure projects lol.

Could you please be more abstract? See if you could provide less detail.

 

[lfd0311]

Bone spurs will go up 90%

TDS thread get shut down or something?