Law Is a US military coup possible?

[Sinister]

The media-bred complacency in this thread is astounding. Resistance is already happening. Communities are actively rejecting Military occupation on basic levels right now. People are protecting each other from arbitrary Government detainment. The Government is escalating and municipal Police are getting caught in the crosshairs. This is alienating local from Federal law enforcement. The Government is actively lying about crime, and deployed NG are seeing it with their own eyes and many of them think these actions are absurdly stupid. Kegseth successfully convinced the Generals that he and Chump are incompetent imbeciles, and ICE keeps making blunders left and right. The corporate media blackout of all this isnt working.

Dont make the mistake of thinking Rebellion isnt possible. It's just as misguided as thinking authoritarian fascism wasnt possible and look where that got us

 

[Source]

It would be a lot more possible if the government were to build up a quasi paramilitary faction.

 

[degoj99]

Not in the near term given Trump won. If AOC or an equivalent is the US' next president, the odds would go up maybe slightly given the near certain anti-democratic and anti-constitutional actions that such an administration would pursue. But odds are remote in any case.

That said, if a future leftist US government decided to follow a Starmer-like strategy here I would hope there would be mass unrest by the populace and military.

 

[degoj99]

The media-bred complacency in this thread is astounding. Resistance is already happening. Communities are actively rejecting Military occupation on basic levels right now. People are protecting each other from arbitrary Government detainment. The Government is escalating and municipal Police are getting caught in the crosshairs. This is alienating local from Federal law enforcement. The Government is actively lying about crime, and deployed NG are seeing it with their own eyes and many of them think these actions are absurdly stupid. Kegseth successfully convinced the Generals that he and Chump are incompetent imbeciles, and ICE keeps making blunders left and right. The corporate media blackout of all this isnt working.

Dont make the mistake of thinking Rebellion isnt possible. It's just as misguided as thinking authoritarian fascism wasnt possible and look where that got us

What's interesting here is that regular people who live in crime-ridden areas in blue cities generally would love interventions to make their communities safer. Dreadful white liberals, though, value people much less than politics, which is why they are opposed to making cities safer.

 

[Fedor>Cain]

Traditional conservatives (which most generals are) are LESS likely to go along with unlawful orders than a lib.

I doubt it. Highly fucking doubt it. Especially considering the atrocities we've found out about over the years.

Also,.you change the word general to police officer and make the same statement. And we all know how the cops roll.

 

[Sinister]

What's interesting here is that regular people who live in crime-ridden areas in blue cities generally would love interventions to make their communities safer. Dreadful white liberals, though, value people much less than politics, which is why they are opposed to making cities safer.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Anyone who would love Military activity vs organized crime amidst their cities is dumb. How has that worked out for border towns?

It's weird how conservatives will make the "criminals will always do crime" arguments as a reason to put guns in people's hands (well, the "right" people), and yet think what the Military will intimidate those criminals into submission? Has that worked with the cartels? We armed and trained the Mexican SF and the second they realized they could make more money taking over the cartel, they did that. Oh I know, I know, that's because they were Mexican right? Surely our good ole boys in the US Military would never do such a thing and commit crimes.

Except during Hurricane Andrew Military were caught looting the ruins of Homestead AFB, robbing from people while they were at their lowest. Military occupation is no guarantee of safety, never has been. Its ab Imperialist move to threaten the citizenry. No matter how much partisan hack spin you try to put on it

 

[avenue94]

Idi Amin fought in the army and rose to the rank of commander. Im sure that at least earned the respect of some military personnel.
You think the military leadership has any respect for Cadet bonespurs who can barely string a coherent sentence together?
Papa Doc had a degree in medicine and was certainly not stupid. Doc was also elected president before going full psycho
These were also small backwards nations. Not modern democracies where freedom and the Constitution are seen as essential. Despite Trump currently wiping his ass with the Constitution

So taking your argument at dubious face value, it's that the military would only back good candidates for coups, but at the same time they will continue to back those candidates even after they are proven to be batshit insane?

 

[avenue94]

But seriously though, while i am not an expert on this subject, I don‘t think it‘s possible for a big democratic developed country in times of peace. It‘s much easier to take power in some small shithole. We see this all the time in the third world where 100 dudes with weapons just take over the presidential palace.

For any big functioning country you need extraordinary circumstances. I could see it happening in the US if the Portland situation spread all over and Kirk type assssinations become the norm. But this will never happen. I do think though that what we see with the whole resistance to ICE thing could become ugly.

South Korea should give you some pause here, should it not?

 

[degoj99]

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Anyone who would love Military activity vs organized crime amidst their cities is dumb. How has that worked out for border towns?

It's weird how conservatives will make the "criminals will always do crime" arguments as a reason to put guns in people's hands (well, the "right" people), and yet think what the Military will intimidate those criminals into submission? Has that worked with the cartels? We armed and trained the Mexican SF and the second they realized they could make more money taking over the cartel, they did that. Oh I know, I know, that's because they were Mexican right? Surely our good ole boys in the US Military would never do such a thing and commit crimes.

Except during Hurricane Andrew Military were caught looting the ruins of Homestead AFB, robbing from people while they were at their lowest. Military occupation is no guarantee of safety, never has been. Its ab Imperialist move to threaten the citizenry. No matter how much partisan hack spin you try to put on it

Border towns are way better off now that the influx of illegals has been curtailed. Your first sentence makes no sense - military presence helps high crime communities a ton. The BBC, which hates Trump, reports the following,

"There has been a significant fall in overall violent crime since the crackdown started, according to Washington's Metropolitan Police Department (MPD). It recorded 75 violent crimes from 12-26 August, a drop of 23% on the previous two weeks."

These are actual people's lives - disadvantaged people living in a tough situation. Less crime means less victims among our most vulnerable, which everyone should support. Of course, douchebag ivory leftists don't give a rip about actual people.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

South Korea should give you some pause here, should it not?

Maybe it should, should it?

 

[Prutfis]

So taking your argument at dubious face value, it's that the military would only back good candidates for coups, but at the same time they will continue to back those candidates even after they are proven to be batshit insane?

No my only point was that Trump is a blubbering moron who has mostly shown disdain for the military and that makes it highly unlikely he would have full military support if he actually tried a coup

 

[avenue94]

Maybe it should, should it?

I personally think so. It'd be silly to pretend coups in developed democracies are impossible when one of the common trends you see in countries with coups is that citizens tend to be surprised and caught off guard.

No my only point was that Trump is a blubbering moron who has mostly shown disdain for the military and that makes it highly unlikely he would have full military support if he actually tried a coup

I'd hope so, but again, see South Korea or any number of countries with dumb dictators.

Edit: I'd also add that it is not rare for supporters to back a coup because they think they can control the puppet, only to find out they grossly miscalculated.

 

[AmonTobin]

Border towns are way better off now that the influx of illegals has been curtailed. Your first sentence makes no sense - military presence helps high crime communities a ton. The BBC, which hates Trump, reports the following,

"There has been a significant fall in overall violent crime since the crackdown started, according to Washington's Metropolitan Police Department (MPD). It recorded 75 violent crimes from 12-26 August, a drop of 23% on the previous two weeks."

These are actual people's lives - disadvantaged people living in a tough situation. Less crime means less victims among our most vulnerable, which everyone should support. Of course, douchebag ivory leftists don't give a rip about actual people.

It would be pretty myopic to extrapolate from a week’s worth of crime data that military occupation is effective, beneficial and justified for long term.

 

[degoj99]

It would be pretty myopic to extrapolate from a week’s worth of crime data that military occupation is effective, beneficial and justified for long term.

The homicide data starting Jan. 2024 through Sept. 30 2025 tell a pretty clear story. Look it up yourself on Open Data DC. I could explain quasi experiments and concluding causality from time series data, but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't understand. I'll give you two ways to eyeball the data. Look at the time period after Trump's intervention (mid August to now) versus before. Also, look at the year-to-year data mid-August through Sept. 30 to control for seasonality effects (this means what month we're in across years).

The data are not hard to interpret. To make it simple - I bet the people that would have been murdered without Trump's intervention find the outcome to be pretty beneficial.

 

[avenue94]

The homicide data starting Jan. 2024 through Sept. 30 2025 tell a pretty clear story. Look it up yourself on Open Data DC. I could explain quasi experiments and concluding causality from time series data, but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't understand. I'll give you two ways to eyeball the data. Look at the time period after Trump's intervention (mid August to now) versus before. Also, look at the year-to-year data mid-August through Sept. 30 to control for seasonality effects (this means what month we're in across years).

The data are not hard to interpret. To make it simple - I bet the people that would have been murdered without Trump's intervention find the outcome to be pretty beneficial.

Since you mentioned causality and experiments and seaonality, what was r and p?

 

[AmonTobin]

The homicide data starting Jan. 2024 through Sept. 30 2025 tell a pretty clear story. Look it up yourself on Open Data DC. I could explain quasi experiments and concluding causality from time series data, but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't understand. I'll give you two ways to eyeball the data. Look at the time period after Trump's intervention (mid August to now) versus before. Also, look at the year-to-year data mid-August through Sept. 30 to control for seasonality effects (this means what month we're in across years).

The data are not hard to interpret. To make it simple - I bet the people that would have been murdered without Trump's intervention find the outcome to be pretty beneficial.

So you credit Trump's NG deployment with any drop in homicides in that time period? Couldn't have anything to do with local community leaders?

An internet search on DC Local police department initiatives, before Trump started deploying federal forces:

"In 2024, initiatives by the District of Columbia Police Department (MPD) included a strategic focus on community policing and crime reduction through their Patrol Services Bureau and a text tip line for public engagement. The department also highlighted its commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion under Chief Equity Officer Pamela A. Smith and aimed to improve response times and public safety across the city's seven police districts."

I'm sure teargas is effective but I don't think local citizens want to be breathing that in everyday for the rest of their lives.

 

[Scott Stapp]

Not in the near term given Trump won. If AOC or an equivalent is the US' next president, the odds would go up maybe slightly given the near certain anti-democratic and anti-constitutional actions that such an administration would pursue. But odds are remote in any case.

That said, if a future leftist US government decided to follow a Starmer-like strategy here I would hope there would be mass unrest by the populace and military.

 

[deviake]

I doubt it though I've heard veterans say that this regime isn't popular at the higher levels and the higher up you go in the military the more serious the training and consideration for actually removing a president from power is. I doubt the upper brass was pleased about flying through multiple time zones to hear Epstein's best friend nonsensically ramble and talk about using American cities as training grounds and Hegseth beating his chest and whining about beards.

I doubt the NG are very happy about their assignments and some have expressed this to journalist Ken Klippenstein. Cops apparently aren't thrilled either and some are getting pissed because ICE inflames tensions and cops have been getting tear gassed and shit along with protestors. Then there's all the reassigned people in the FBI and other agencies who were going after real threats who've been reassigned, prosecutors resigning and getting fired for not prosecuting dumb shit, juries not indicting, etc. The regime is pissing off a lot of people.

 

[Andy Capp]

IMO it would likely consist of the Military being ordered to attack citizens and quickly fatiguing of that. Fighting against foreigners in their own Countries because you think you're protecting yours is one thing. Harming your own people because rich people tell you that these people have the wrong idea is something different. Sooner or later something breaks.

Indeed. I think it's far more likely the military and/or ICE will be used to suppress the vote in historically Democrat-leaning constituencies in the mid-terms to try to ensure a Republican victory, which will accrue far less pushback from the armed forces than outright physical attacks on American citizens in the interim. The stuff they are doing now is just to test how far they can go, as @Limbo Pete has pointed out quite often.

Of course, if this is even close to being right--if they're successful--this would be a prelude to installing Vance for the following 10 years, and by then, anyone who might offer resistance will have been replaced by loyalists in much the same manner as what happened to the admin between Trump's first and second terms.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Indeed. I think it's far more likely the military and/or ICE will be used to suppress the vote in historically Democrat-leaning constituencies in the mid-terms to try to ensure a Republican victory, which will accrue far less pushback from the armed forces than outright physical attacks on American citizens in the interim. The stuff they are doing now is just to test how far they can go, as @Limbo Pete has pointed out quite often.

Of course, if this is even close to being right--if they're successful--this would be a prelude to installing Vance for the following 10 years, and by then, anyone who might offer resistance will have been replaced by loyalists in much the same manner as what happened to the admin between Trump's first and second terms.

Their movement is fueled by outward pressure, and as such boundaries exist to be challenged. The one thing we have going for us is that Trump is fucking old; if he moves on willingly, though, it won't be without attempting to exercise as much control over the system as possible to ensure his continued security, luxury, and political power in some fashion. I expect he will have blackmail documents aplenty for any number of people, particularly those close to himself. And that's even setting aside however he ends up using the pardon power to wash away criminality for his entire operation. More specifically to the point, he definitely will be attempting to take control of the vote process in some way, and I think Georgia will be a for sure target. It has all the right elements: Red state with recent blue flips, entrenched GOP control over voting mechanisms, and most importantly he's extremely petty and still bitter about the whole situation with it previously. He has a grudge. All he will need there is for the state GOP to roll over and say something like "we welcome Federal intervention" and then that's all she wrote.