Opinion Military service should be mandatory

[Cole train]

but yeah overall america dont need it

in here if you choose civil service they might throw you in to help firefighters at the station for example

that might work if you have to put in place some kind of service in usa

Sounds pretty similar to how it ended up for me. I asked for the laziest, easiest stuff I could think of, and it's like they punish you for doing that.

Ended up being a guardsman serving under some try-hard military police officers and a lieutenant who claimed he was an Iraq War vet (when in reality he probably did jack-shit there, according to what I heard). The previous "class" of guys had a rejection rate of like 80%, meaning that 16 of 20 had gone home.

Probably nowhere near as physically demanding as recon, but it was torture as far as sleep deprivation. I counted that I averaged around 2 hours of sleep during camps, with 12 to 16 hours of guard duty, about 4-6 hours of random "tetsaamista" in the forest. If you fell asleep, or otherwise just acted too "lazy", during guard duty, you were punished by losing free weekends.

At the time I figured it was some sort of a "punishment" unit for people they thought weren't fit or motivated enough for the army. Bunch of guys were just totally hopeless, left after about 5 days of it.

hahaha classic

gotta love militarys sense of humor lmao

 

[Orgasmo]

Nope, people shouldn't be forced into fighting foreign wars for corporate interests which dominate the government agenda. On top of that, it's been demonstrated that conscripts are of lower quality than professional soldiers. Furthermore, mandatory service reduces the vibrancy of the economy due to draining of productive years from the population.

 

[DivineMind]

Simplistic solutions like this miss the mark.

Mandating military service in an imperialist country with a dysfunctional democratic system (read: hijacked by corporations) is not a good idea.

Maybe once the government actually governs for the people instead of oligarchs, we could institute something like this.

The mistake youre making is that because functional governments have instituted this policy across the world (like Korea, for example), you think instituting this policy at home will make this country more functional. It won't solve any problems in the current climate.

 

[Jack Stevonovich]

Nope, people shouldn't be forced into fighting foreign wars for corporate interests which dominate the government agenda. On top of that, it's been demonstrated that conscripts are of lower quality than professional soldiers. Furthermore, mandatory service reduces the vibrancy of the economy due to draining of productive years from the population.

If everyone serves and has skin in the game then you have tens of millions of people that don't want to serve corporate interests.

 

[Cole train]

Nope, people shouldn't be forced into fighting wars for corporate interests. On top of that, it's been demonstrated that conscripts are of lower quality than professional soldiers.

yes and no, very dependant on the country and training, heres some my experience with americans

i still remember the americans liutenants face when he watched our live round fire drills after 4 months of training, our captain was laughing his ass off

also americans have a really heavy reliance on gps and air superiority i noticed

we had to constantly show them where they were on the map when land navigating and when they had no air superiority they had a hard time with us, everything else worked fine though

that being said us military is still the best in the world and i dont think they send their best to train with us (the best are in conflict zones)

heres the training exercise with usa guys where we messed around

 

[Jack Stevonovich]

Simplistic solutions like this miss the mark.

Mandating military service in an imperialist country with a dysfunctional democratic system (read: hijacked by corporations) is not a good idea.

Maybe once the government actually governs for the people instead of oligarchs, we could institute something like this.

The mistake youre making is that because functional governments have instituted this policy across the world (like Korea, for example), you think instituting this policy at home will make this country more functional. It won't solve any problems in the current climate.

It's not like they couldn't have elite pro forces. I don't think you'd really need more than a couple hundred thousand people like that though and they would be gov't elite forces not private contractors.

 

[Orgasmo]

If everyone serves and has skin in the game then you have tens of millions of people that don't want to serve corporate interests.

The draft didn't prevent US for foreign interventions after Vietnam even after years of anti-war sentiment. That's just wishful thinking on your part. Many of the war hawks in Washington were former military, and they kept on pushing the same aggressive policies.

 

[Jack Stevonovich]

The draft didn't prevent US for foreign interventions after Vietnam even after years of anti-war sentiment. That's just wishful thinking on your part. Many of the war hawks in Washington were former military, and they kept on pushing the same aggressive policies.

Well maybe a national service then. Something parallel to the military.

 

[Oliver Clothesoff]

Didn't we already have this thread? Anyway, while we are at it, I think we should have mandatory Police service. Let everyone see how "easy" it is. Might change some minds....

 

[all caps]

If everyone serves and has skin in the game then you have tens of millions of people that don't want to serve corporate interests.

Skin in what game though? I live for myself and my family. Im not interested in helping push you or some other mans agenda. No offense, still love you as my brother.

 

[Orgasmo]

Well maybe a national service then. Something parallel to the military.

That I can get behind.

- Auxiliary police officer
- Auxiliary paramedic
- Auxiliary firefighter
- Volunteer practical nurse at public run hospitals and care homes
- Regulated border patrol militia (forbidden to deploy outside of US borders)
- Construction corps for infrastructure development (where they learn skilled trades)

Two year terms when they are legally adults, and deferrable until they complete post-secondary education.

 

[San Marino]

Here is the training exercise with usa guys where we messed around.

Why does that female at 0:29 have her hair down in a ponytail? I take it she is a Marine. I don't think that has ever been Marine Corps policy. Also, Marine tanks are all now gone. No more tanks in the USMC.

 

[Cole train]

Why does that female at 0:29 have her hair down in a ponytail? I take it she is a Marine. I don't think that has ever been Marine Corps policy. Also, Marine tanks are all now gone. No more tanks in the USMC.

honestly i have no clue what the fuck is going on in that footage.

i was in recon so my experience was staring at a road watching for movement like "3 battle tanks, 40 infantry headed west" or attacking some camp of some unit at night

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

maybe we should hire social workers to talk about things with other army’s

Hilarious considering how the Murkan military is like 25x bigger than the next biggest competitor, has a virtual unlimited budget that gets increased every year and never gets audited.

And despite all this it loses in war games to Russia and China.

 

[Jack Stevonovich]

That I can get behind.

- Auxiliary police officer
- Auxiliary paramedic
- Auxiliary firefighter
- Volunteer practical nurse at public run hospitals and care homes
- Regulated border patrol militia (forbidden to deploy outside of US borders)
- Construction corps for infrastructure development (where they learn skilled trades)

Two year terms when they are legally adults, and deferrable until they complete post-secondary education.

Working in the fields. All the shit work too that 'requires' foreign labor.

 

[San Marino]

Honestly I have no clue what the fuck is going on in that footage. I was in recon so my experience was staring at a road watching for movement like "3 battle tanks, 40 infantry headed west" or attacking some camp of some unit at night.

I take it you never had to work with females while in the Corps? Still don't know why a girl would want to be Infantry while in the military.

 

[Cole train]

I take it you never had to work with females while in the Corps? Still don't know why a girl would want to be Infantry while in the military.

im not american lol

but to answer your question yes my unit didnt take females

 

[Orgasmo]

Working in the fields. All the shit work too that 'requires' foreign labor.

No, farms are run by private owners. Nobody should be used as free labour for private businesses. That's simply exploitation, not public service.

 

[Cole train]

Sounds pretty similar to how it ended up for me. I asked for the laziest, easiest stuff I could think of, and it's like they punish you for doing that.

Ended up being a guardsman serving under some try-hard military police officers and a lieutenant who claimed he was an Iraq War vet (when in reality he probably did jack-shit there, according to what I heard). The previous "class" of guys had a rejection rate of like 80%, meaning that 16 of 20 had gone home.

Probably nowhere near as physically demanding as recon, but it was torture as far as sleep deprivation. I counted that I averaged around 2 hours of sleep during camps, with 12 to 16 hours of guard duty, about 4-6 hours of random "tetsaamista" in the forest. If you fell asleep, or otherwise just acted too "lazy", during guard duty, you were punished by losing free weekends.

At the time I figured it was some sort of a "punishment" unit for people they thought weren't fit or motivated enough for the army. Bunch of guys were just totally hopeless, left after about 5 days of it.

I'm pretty sure all that contributed to my habit of staying awake 24 to 30+ hours even now.

lol i noticed you are still posting at like 4 am

im always thinking like "does this guy have a job" lol

 

[San Marino]

...but to answer your question yes my unit didn't take females.

Yeah, things have gone to shit here in the U.S. and women in combat arms. As far as the U.S. Army, we now have females in the Infantry and a recent female graduate of the 'Q' course - Special Forces. So, we now officially have a female wearing a green beret. SEALs have a female going through the BUD/S pipeline and will most likely have a graduate in the recent future. I think they are all equally worthless. Let's see how they do in combat. I think it will be a shock to the 'PC Brigade' who put these women in this situation.