Media Michael jai white need a ego check

[J180]

Fuck Mike Perry, horrible fighter, woman beater, and a racist.

 

[kflo]

I get the point you're trying to make about them not acknowledging his skill and technique but you have to also acknowledge theres zero indication that this guy has what it takes to be a real fighter or beat mike. Tons of people look great on a bag or pads, it's another thing to put it into practice in a real situation.

The thing is we haven’t even seen him look great on a bag. We’ve seen a intro instructional where he doesn’t throw a single real combo on the bag and shows nothing for more than 2 seconds at a time.

 

[Cuttyrock]

WW has always been a joke div of course MJW would wreck somebody from it, all WW has been and ever will be is bunch of one dimensional fighters

 

[Kb7]

And we know they are savages how?

Be careful bro, Mescalinedreams has been training MMA, Boxing & JiuJitsu since 2005, he will post videos of him and these savages he speaks of soon enough, we will be in “awe.” of his godlike fighting abilities.

 

[kflo]

Guys like Machida, and WB did traditional martial arts as well as other arts... WB had an extensive Kickboxing record... there's a reason he didn't stick with point karate.

I did point karate for a year as a kid, and I feel like it helps me, and influences my sparring today, that being said I know a lot of guys from that karate gym that never went of their comfort zone and trained at an MMA gym where you ACTUALLY fight. I would literally murder them all today, because point karate is just very different than real fighting, but I bet if you listened to them talk about martial arts they'd sound like the baddest mofos in the world, and then throw a spinning kick to back it up. It's not that they're 100% full of shit, I respect them as martial artists, but these guys never had the ego to actually fight/spar in real environments as you find in MMA gyms, BJJ gyms, Muay Thai gyms, etc.

I have no clue what his background actually is, but him claiming a black belt in japanese jiu jitsu is suspect to me honestly, never seen him in a jiu jitsu gym, or training bjj ever, but he put in 5-10 years to get a blackbelt? Or did he go to some "japanese jiu jitsu" instructor that taught him some basic bs and gave him a black belt after 2 years. I bet he has 2 stripe white belt level skills.

Every tma guy I ever sparred with, even after training mt and boxing for a year before sparring, couldn’t react to real non stop action. It takes a while to break bad habits.

 

[kflo]

Be careful bro, Mescalinedreams has been training MMA, Boxing & JiuJitsu since 2005, he will post videos of him and these savages he speaks of soon enough, we will be in “awe.” of his godlike fighting abilities.

Will break the internet...soon....

 

[Mahkor]

I of course don't gonna read this long ass thread but anyone thinking than an actor could beat Mike Perry needs to kill themselves.

 

[MescalineDreams]

Guys like Machida, and WB did traditional martial arts as well as other arts... WB had an extensive Kickboxing record... there's a reason he didn't stick with point karate.

I did point karate for a year as a kid, and I feel like it helps me, and influences my sparring today, that being said I know a lot of guys from that karate gym that never went of their comfort zone and trained at an MMA gym where you ACTUALLY fight. I would literally murder them all today, because point karate is just very different than real fighting, but I bet if you listened to them talk about martial arts they'd sound like the baddest mofos in the world, and then throw a spinning kick to back it up. It's not that they're 100% full of shit, I respect them as martial artists, but these guys never had the ego to actually fight/spar in real environments as you find in MMA gyms, BJJ gyms, Muay Thai gyms, etc.

I have no clue what his background actually is, but him claiming a black belt in japanese jiu jitsu is suspect to me honestly, never seen him in a jiu jitsu gym, or training bjj ever, but he put in 5-10 years to get a blackbelt? Or did he go to some "japanese jiu jitsu" instructor that taught him some basic bs and gave him a black belt after 2 years. I bet he has 2 stripe white belt level skills.

Yeah, MJW appears to have trained pure boxing in the correct way to supplement his traditional martial arts.

Which automatically puts him ahead of most karate guys

Typically the biggest flaw with TKD / karate bases is that they picked up and ingrained very poor boxing habits into their their neural pathways. That doesnt appear to be the case with MJW. Hes smart.


And I'm gonna defer to Rogan here in that he is a very legit kyokushin black belt. I respect Rogan's opinion on anything kick related more than most.

When he says something like, MJW has perfect, impeccable kicking technique, that is a very powerful statement and it would be wise to listen.

Rogan knows what hes talking about.

It's been said that MJW has frequented mma gyms and sparred with many elite guys over the years. Theres video of him with Ben Saunders, Kimbo, obviously he filmed a movie with Josh Barnett, Todd Duffee and a bunch of other mma guys.

JKVD seems to be the type of martial artist you're talking about. Someone who has a strong background but isnt in there actually testing himself and lacks tangible experience.

Conversely, MJW seems like the guy who is very much in there getting a feel for where his skills stack up against legitimate fighters. Why would he not?

I understand it was a movie but if you watch the flow like movement between Machida and MJW, that wasnt choreographed. They were just playing, but you get a feel for how someone like MJW would fight.

Like other traditional martial artists, there is a sense that he would have many similar elements to his style weve seen from guys like Machida, WB, Conor.

Strong distance management, lateral movement, ability to fight off the back foot, countering prowess, difficulty of being hit, strong kicking technique as a means of measuring and keeping distance. That kyokushin point fighting style just creates a fighter who is very difficult to find.

Does that mean we know for certain if he would respond well to taking shots, reactions to being hit and handling pressure? No, but the tools are certainly there on paper.

Assuming that a life long martial artist wouldnt be able to handle themselves in a fight just because they havent competed is just a weird assumption to make. What is the core reason we train? Physical mastery. Ability to defend yourself.

Anyways, that's my feel of things. I respect your opinion tho. I'd like to think I have a very good sense for fighters and talent / potential. At times I feel like I see things others might miss. Called more than a few fighters before theyve truly arrived.

I see MJW as a very different type of martial artist than someone like JKVD or the typical karate guy who hasnt immersed themselves into mma / incorporated well rounded elements to their style.

In terms of his jiu jitsu background, who knows. Dont know enough about japanese jiu jitsu to say how formidable it is. Although, considering his other background, assuming hes a white belt on the mats seems a bit hasty. Presumably it's the weakest aspect of the game.

Though I heard he used to wrestle in highschool as well.

 

[Rented Gucci Mink]

Nope, but your butthurt is funny

Butthurt is when you responded to my original post failing to troll or make any valid points. Funny is you attempting to pass it off that I’m the one who’s butthurt lol l2troll

 

[MescalineDreams]

I get the point you're trying to make about them not acknowledging his skill and technique but you have to also acknowledge theres zero indication that this guy has what it takes to be a real fighter or beat mike. Tons of people look great on a bag or pads, it's another thing to put it into practice in a real situation.

Sure, but the point is the tools and skill are there.

Technically speaking, he is so many levels above Mike that its actually comical. Watch the way he moves, even throws a jab.

Basically the only question mark is how well he responds to taking punches and how tough he is.

His skills are not the question here

 

[MescalineDreams]

One can only assume you are easily impressed. Puzzling.

No. You see glimpses of what someone has by how they move, how they rotate their shoulders, core, hips and posterior chain into their punches, how they move their head, etc.

There was nothing special about anything in the video being demonstrated.

It was a basic beginner level video

But there are elements of his skill shown in the subtleties of every technique he performed.



I don't think hes a world beater when it comes to boxing. But, he trained boxing in a very traditional way, which is rare among the stereotypical karate stylist.

Obviously his kicking game is going to be his most potent attribute, but he has some skills with his hands

To not acknowledge that is to expose your own poor fight iq and ability to discern skill.

I believe there is a certain subtly in reading fighters that lot of you guys simply dont have.

That video wasnt about him popping the jab or whatever else he did. It was a test to see who is paying attention to the subtleties which give glimpses through the crack of someones skillset.

 

[OldFashion]

One pimp slap and that fool MJW would fold and quiver like a scared little girl

 

[aerius]

And I'm gonna defer to Rogan here in that he is a very legit kyokushin black belt. I respect Rogan's opinion on anything kick related more than most.

When he says something like, MJW has perfect, impeccable kicking technique, that is a very powerful statement and it would be wise to listen.

Lol. Any of the regulars in the Standup Technique forum can find at least 2-3 things wrong with his round kick.
It's nowhere close to perfect.

 

[MescalineDreams]

YOU are obivously 10-8ing this guy on every post, and i beg for you to stop. My brain can’t process another one of his posts. His response to your message “bro I’m super super woke everyone is dumb to me. I’m above you worms, your opinions are nothing to me and my super brain. Also I’m in then process of losing my beer belly, and when I do I’m going to post myself on here and then you’ll be sorry!!!”
For a guy that thinks he’s woke Because he done a psychedelic he acts alot like a petty school child

Bud, I've literally given like 6 10+ paragraph responses on the prior pages.

This person was suggesting I was biased and all this shit but wasnt quoting or referencing anything.

It's called simple debate etiquette.

If you have an issue with what I'm saying, claim that I'm biased or whatever, then quote and reference specifically what it was you disagreed with, where you believe I'm being biased or short sighted and we can discuss it.

This person 10-8'd himself. You can't casually glance over dozens of paragraphs and points made then ask someone to explain themselves. Again.

I dont believe everyone is dumb to me whatsoever. I dont believe I have some magic eye that makes me some sort of enlightened being.

This is a matter of some people just not having basic fight IQ and ability to discern talent more than me demonstrating anything special.

If someone cant see the skill and talent as a a martial artist that MJW possesses, there is a glaring hole in their understanding of this game.

 

[kflo]

No. You see glimpses of what someone has by how they move, how they rotate their shoulders, core, hips and posterior chain into their punches, how they move their head, etc.

There was nothing special about anything in the video being demonstrated.

It was a basic beginner level video

But there are elements of his skill shown in the subtleties of every technique he performed.



I don't think hes a world beater when it comes to boxing. But, he trained boxing in a very traditional way, which is rare among the stereotypical karate stylist.

Obviously his kicking game is going to be his most potent attribute, but he has some skills with his hands

To not acknowledge that is to expose your own poor fight iq and ability to discern skill.

I believe there is a certain subtly in reading fighters that lot of you guys simply dont have.

That video wasnt about him popping the jab or whatever else he did. It was a test to see who is paying attention to the subtleties which give glimpses through the crack of someones skillset.

Again it doesn’t take a lifetime of training to do what he did on that video. It wasn’t a test. It was a novice video for novices. With very little actual demonstration or tells of real skill. It’s all replicable by most people with some training. All it takes is being a student.

 

[Bruce Lee666]

One pimp slap and that fool MJW would fold and quiver like a scared little girl

actors are not real fighters, remember when Van Damme challenged a real fighter and ran away afterwards?

MJW trained Japanese jiu jitsu? this shit is useless, even the Japaneses prefer BJJ.

 

[MescalineDreams]

Lol. Any of the regulars in the Standup Technique forum can find at least 2-3 things wrong with his round kick.
It's nowhere close to perfect.

Think he was talking about his side kicks.

 

[xXxGhost89xXx]

Fuck Mike Perry, horrible fighter, woman beater, and a racist.

Lol, liberal detected.

 

[MescalineDreams]

Again it doesn’t take a lifetime of training to do what he did on that video. It wasn’t a test. It was a novice video for novices. With very little actual demonstration or tells of real skill. It’s all replicable by most people with some training. All it takes is being a student.

Again, it wasnt about what techniques he demonstrated or the points he was trying to articulate.

It was a beginner level video.

As I said, glimpses of a person's skillset is demonstrated in the subtleties.

Regardless of the level of technique a person is demonstrating, they expose themself with every movement.

Like I said, subtlety and ability to discern talent through the cracks is lost on many.

It doesnt matter what a person is doing. If you have the eye, you should be able to discern if they have skills.

 

[kflo]

Again, it wasnt about what techniques he demonstrated or the points he was trying to articulate.

It was a beginner level video.

As I said, glimpses of a person's skillset is demonstrated in the subtleties.

Regardless of the level of technique a person is demonstrating, they expose themself with every movement.

Like I said, subtlety and ability to discern talent through the cracks is lost on many.

It doesnt matter what a person is doing. If you have the eye, you should be able to discern if they have skills.

The idea that that video proves to you a high level of skill is truly baffling. I can’t even believe you are arguing it. Yes he’s trained some. No it’s not possible to discern a high fight aptitude from it. It’s just a bizarre position. The idea that you can spot “special” from that video is amazing.