Media Michael jai white need a ego check

[zr1vette]

One guy is a fighter. The other guy is an actor. Could the fighter get in front of the camera and act as well? Could the other guy get in the octagon and fight as well?

 

[Ufcmaster]

Bruce was a real fighter and If afforded the opportunity of modern MMA training would likely excel in the appropriate weight division. Could he beat anyone above featherweight in the UFC unlikely...

Yeah you could be right. My probably isn't really with Bruce (RIP) but his many so called "fans". They have made him out to be some sort of mythical being that would whoop everbody ass. My problem is with fake so called traditional martial arts. Specifically the chinese versions of those arts. MT, Karate and TKD are pretty legit and don't have as many fakes and posers like Kung Fu and other chinese MA have.

Bruce would've to work on his TDD though. UFC fighters would be wanting to take him down as soon as the bell rings lol





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[josephsjoseph]

Rogan - "theres no bigger critic of kicking technique than me, MJW's kicking technique is PERFECT, his technique is impeccable"

Rogan knows more about elite kicking game than any of you bums ever will and you wanna act like hes a fraud or something.

Theres a lot of bullshit martial artists out there MJW is not one of them.

He has been known to spar with mma guys frequently. Nobody has EVER come out and said anything bad about the guy whatsoever.

what mma guys? Kimbo? Or the guys who worked with him for the extra attention?

You can throw a kick perfect but you might not be able to do the same while fighting or sparring.

anyone who hyped him up has an incentive. They gain fans and attention through talking about the guy and having him a an ally.

if he’s talking shit now it’s because he knows he’s to old for anyone to seriously pick on him

 

[Pound for Pound]

Lee would get wrestle fucked by Merab lol


I shouldn't blame a dead man. In that you are right. I blame his estate, other bullshit martial artists and the UFC for linking MMA too Bruce Lee to gain popularity




F*ck all this idiots in this video below







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you sound like someone who'll never be at the top

 

[Dana's Moonface]

This thread is beyond a joke

I live near 2 boys that would flatten Perry with their hands

My brother is very friendly with one of them in particular

In fact both would beat any guy in perry's division with their fists never mind Perry

 

[aerius]

Yeah you could be right. My probably isn't really with Bruce (RIP) but his many so called "fans". They have made him out to be some sort of mythical being that would whoop everbody ass. My problem is with fake so called traditional martial arts. Specifically the chinese versions of those arts. MT, Karate and TKD are pretty legit and don't have as many fakes and posers like Kung Fu and other chinese MA have.

Bruce would've to work on his TDD though. UFC fighters would be wanting to take him down as soon as the bell rings lol

Bruce Lee would be stomping everyone's knees out and getting the push kick to the knee banned from MMA.

 

[MescalineDreams]

For such a smart guy you really are struggling with some simple concepts here. I already specifically pointed out some of your bias, you hand waved it away by saying you explained your thought process in some post I have to go back and find.

If you use your own personal judgement as evidence it is biased. In this case you claim to be able to assess anyones striking ability from simply watching them shadow box or hit pads or whatever.

I am really struggling to simplify this any further.

You havent addressed, quoted anything I've actually said or made it clear specifically what it is you disagreed with or what I was biased about

For such a smart guy you really are struggling with some simple concepts here. I already specifically pointed out some of your bias, you hand waved it away by saying you explained your thought process in some post I have to go back and find.

If you use your own personal judgement as evidence it is biased. In this case you claim to be able to assess anyones striking ability from simply watching them shadow box or hit pads or whatever.

I am really struggling to simplify this any further.

Anyways I'll get back to you bro

Been trying to get ready to go out, so not really in the correct head space.

 

[Fukkup]

You havent addressed, quoted anything I've actually said or made it clear specifically what it is you disagreed with or what I was biased about

Anyways I'll get back to you bro

Been trying to get ready to go out, so not really in the correct head space.

I have made it perfectly clear.

A lot of people know the guy is legit.

I can see a minute of footage on someone and know they're legit.

Hes got some fucking skills man.

Literally 9 black belts and people want to act like hes just an actor..so ridiculous.

Bruce Lee never competed either other than a few karate tournaments, is he also just an actor?


Rogan - "theres no bigger critic of kicking technique than me, MJW's kicking technique is PERFECT"

You should be able to watch someone for a few minutes and know if they're legit

Its not hard

Such movement and techniques cant be faked.

In cases like MJW, the skills and technique shown in the movies outside of the unrealistic shit is very legit..just choreographed is all. Bruce Lee was an actor but the skills he brought to the table to perform his feats were very real.

Even Rogan said the guys kicks are perfect, impeccable which is high praise. Rogan was a national level TKD champ. People hate on Joe, but if he's praising someone, they're legit.

From what I've seen, his hands look pretty good as well. Technique wise, which is more rare among traditional martial artists. Not pro boxer level but very good. Hes more balanced than most traditional martial artists I've seen

His striking is very much legit. Theres no question about that whatsoever.

But we dont know anything about his grappling. He does have a black belt in japanese jiu jitsu so presumably he knows some shit, in that never back down movie he obviously has some understanding of positioning but presumably it's the weaker aspect of his game.

He also frequently spars with high level UFC fighters.

Given his karate style with an emphasis on movement, footwork, excellent kicking repertoire and distance control, he would manage well in a fight. Real or not those guys are hard to fight. You cant seem to find them and get countered consistently on the way in.

Much like weve seen from Wonderboy, Machida or other traditional martial artists.

Just because someone hasnt competed isnt reason to count them out, especially when they're life long martial artists with plenty of experience sparring against elite fighters.

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Nice strawman. Show me anywhere I suggested he was a great "fighter"

People? Rogan has more understanding of kicking game than almost anyone. If he says someone has impeccable technique, that is very high praise and should be respected. If he says White is a legit kyokushin black belt, then he is. It's that simple.

His opinion holds weight where as I dont think you know much about striking.

Nobody suggested he was a great fighter. Only that hes obviously a very talented martial artist with multiple black belts who has been training his entire life.

How that would translate to a real fight is up for debate. However, what I've seen.. His style would do well, on paper.

Obviously he's old now.

Guys who come from that sort of kyokushin point fighting background have a different sort of movement, footwork, ability to move in and out / manage distance, counter and avoid being hit.

From what little I've seen, he appears to have much better understanding and appreciation for boxing than most traditional martial artists. Which tends to be the weakest aspect of their game.

His hands look pretty good to me.

How someone reacts to being hit, their toughness and such things are obviously another layer. We dont really know, pure speculation.

He could be a warrior deep down or not.

But, without question his skills are very real.

And suggesting hes just an actor and the shit people are saying about him in this thread are just ridiculously disrespectful and ignorant.

At least show the guy some fucking respect.

Just little glimpses of him throwing jabs in his videos, the way he moves his feet, turns his hips and body into his punches, moves his head, etc.

Theres not much out there. But he definitely trained boxing in a traditional way. So, there was clearly more emphasis on training in it's pure form compared to other traditional martial artists where it tends to be the weaker aspect of their game.

 

[MescalineDreams]

I have made it perfectly clear.

Well you didnt.. Lol

Now you quoted me and we have something to work with

anyways when I'm back I'll address it.

think I can explain my stance on thing a whole lot better.
for now I'll just say that anyone who didn't recognize that he is absurdly skilled, simply doesn't have very good fight iq.

Judging someone's skillet based on whether they're competing or not is just lazy analysis.

There is enough footage out there to make an informed decision that MJW is a highly skilled martial artist. If you have a trained eye.

No it doesn't mean I have some special magical knowing. It just means some of you guys are really bad at judging talent.

 

[MescalineDreams]

This thread is beyond a joke

I live near 2 boys that would flatten Perry with their hands

My brother is very friendly with one of them in particular

In fact both would beat any guy in perry's division with their fists never mind Perry

Yeah people seem to think anyone who isn't competing has no skill or credibility

such flawed, ignorant thinking.

there's so many savages out there who nobody has ever heard of.

not everyone wants to become a pro fighter and destroy their bodies and minds. It doesn't mean they can't be highly skilled and formidable

 

[MescalineDreams]

I have made it perfectly clear.

I would advise you to watch that video until the end.
The MJW footwork one.

If you don't come away thinking the man has hands, drastic changes need to be made in your fight IQ and ability to discern skill and talent.

This is why I question people.

How much can people really know about fighting when they're so oblivious to what is so obvious.

 

[ifindgifsforjackslack]

So the irony is lost on you ?

Ok I will explain. You claim to be an unbiased critical thinker yet one of your main pieces of evidence could not be more biased. You can explain your thought process all you want, but that does not change that fact.

You claimed I never engage in a debate yet since I decided to actually address your shit you are trying to avoid one. Once again I assume the irony is lost on you.

YOU are obivously 10-8ing this guy on every post, and i beg for you to stop. My brain can’t process another one of his posts. His response to your message “bro I’m super super woke everyone is dumb to me. I’m above you worms, your opinions are nothing to me and my super brain. Also I’m in then process of losing my beer belly, and when I do I’m going to post myself on here and then you’ll be sorry!!!”
For a guy that thinks he’s woke Because he done a psychedelic he acts alot like a petty school child

 

[Combat_Night_Official]

Yeah people seem to think anyone who isn't competing has no skill or credibility

such flawed, ignorant thinking.

there's so many savages out there who nobody has ever heard of.

not everyone wants to become a pro fighter and destroy their bodies and minds. It doesn't mean they can't be highly skilled and formidable

I get the point you're trying to make about them not acknowledging his skill and technique but you have to also acknowledge theres zero indication that this guy has what it takes to be a real fighter or beat mike. Tons of people look great on a bag or pads, it's another thing to put it into practice in a real situation.

 

[DespicablePeep]

Are you one of those nuthuggers I was talking about? Did I struck a nerve? You morons stay missing the point lol

Nope, but your butthurt is funny

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

Not everyone dedicates their time and energy to pursuing traditional martial arts so deeply. He grew up in a very different era.

MMA fighters have to focus in jits, wrestling, boxing, muay thai, judo, weight lifting and everything else.

The idea that karate and traditional martial arts arent effective, especially when adapted to something like mma is pretty well known to be false at this point.

Look at Machida. Wonderboy. Elements of Conor's style in terms of his stance / distance management etc.

Those guys arent even what youd consider anywhere near the top of the food chain when it comes to elite pure karate guys. Not even close. But they've both essentially reached the very top of the sport.

That style is just really hard to fight. Especially in a cage with so much space to move.

It's weird he doesnt train bjj tho. He has a black belt in japanese jiu jitsu but you'd think he would want to be versed in bjj to round out his game

Chuck Norris is like a 3rd degree BJJ black belt or something now

Guys like Machida, and WB did traditional martial arts as well as other arts... WB had an extensive Kickboxing record... there's a reason he didn't stick with point karate.

I did point karate for a year as a kid, and I feel like it helps me, and influences my sparring today, that being said I know a lot of guys from that karate gym that never went of their comfort zone and trained at an MMA gym where you ACTUALLY fight. I would literally murder them all today, because point karate is just very different than real fighting, but I bet if you listened to them talk about martial arts they'd sound like the baddest mofos in the world, and then throw a spinning kick to back it up. It's not that they're 100% full of shit, I respect them as martial artists, but these guys never had the ego to actually fight/spar in real environments as you find in MMA gyms, BJJ gyms, Muay Thai gyms, etc.

I have no clue what his background actually is, but him claiming a black belt in japanese jiu jitsu is suspect to me honestly, never seen him in a jiu jitsu gym, or training bjj ever, but he put in 5-10 years to get a blackbelt? Or did he go to some "japanese jiu jitsu" instructor that taught him some basic bs and gave him a black belt after 2 years. I bet he has 2 stripe white belt level skills.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

You should be able to watch someone for a few minutes and know if they're legit

Its not hard

Such movement and techniques cant be faked.

In cases like MJW, the skills and technique shown in the movies outside of the unrealistic shit is very legit..just choreographed is all. Bruce Lee was an actor but the skills he brought to the table to perform his feats were very real.

Even Rogan said the guys kicks are perfect, impeccable which is high praise. Rogan was a national level TKD champ. People hate on Joe, but if he's praising someone, they're legit.

From what I've seen, his hands look pretty good as well. Technique wise, which is more rare among traditional martial artists. Not pro boxer level but very good. Hes more balanced than most traditional martial artists I've seen

His striking is very much legit. Theres no question about that whatsoever.

But we dont know anything about his grappling. He does have a black belt in japanese jiu jitsu so presumably he knows some shit, in that never back down movie he obviously has some understanding of positioning but presumably it's the weaker aspect of his game.

He also frequently spars with high level UFC fighters.

Given his karate style with an emphasis on movement, footwork, excellent kicking repertoire and distance control, he would manage well in a fight. Real or not those guys are hard to fight. You cant seem to find them and get countered consistently on the way in.

Much like weve seen from Wonderboy, Machida or other traditional martial artists.

Just because someone hasnt competed isnt reason to count them out, especially when they're life long martial artists with plenty of experience sparring against elite fighters.

You can tell that they're legit to a degree, but there are people out there with great padwork, that look like shit actually fighting, we see this even amongst pro fighters on this forum every now and then.

Rogan has good kicking technique, but he wouldn't be able to actually hit anyone in the UFC with his kicks lol. He is a great example, because he is a legit TKD black belt, has really great kicking technique. Do you think he'd be able to go fight dudes in the UFC? At least Rogan has a black belt in BJJ, and has had some kickboxing fights I think. And there's actually video of him knocking a dude out.

Do you actually believe he is in there really sparring UFC fighters? I'm sure it's very light, playful sparring, it means very little.

Honestly we don't know for sure, maybe he is a legit badass that could've been UFC champ 10 years ago, but I'm not gonna assume that, even he doesn't know that if he never went out and did it. Dude is closer to JCVD than Machida, or WB.

 

[kflo]

I would advise you to watch that video until the end.
The MJW footwork one.

If you don't come away thinking the man has hands, drastic changes need to be made in your fight IQ and ability to discern skill and talent.

This is why I question people.

How much can people really know about fighting when they're so oblivious to what is so obvious.

One can only assume you are easily impressed. Puzzling.

 

[kflo]

Yeah people seem to think anyone who isn't competing has no skill or credibility

such flawed, ignorant thinking.

there's so many savages out there who nobody has ever heard of.

not everyone wants to become a pro fighter and destroy their bodies and minds. It doesn't mean they can't be highly skilled and formidable

And we know they are savages how?

 

[kflo]

This thread is beyond a joke

I live near 2 boys that would flatten Perry with their hands

My brother is very friendly with one of them in particular

In fact both would beat any guy in perry's division with their fists never mind Perry

What have you seen them do to reach that conclusion?

 

[josephsjoseph]

I’d sleep him in under a minute he’s dumb