Measles outbreak in Gaines county, Texas.

[Hellowhosthat]

The ideological inconsistency is you say if you don't get your kid vaccinated and they get sick - that's abuse

But then if you do get them vaccinated and they get vaccine injured - that isn't abuse.

There's no ideological consistency there. It's purely ideology driven.

It would depend on the odds wouldn't it?

If a vaccine had a 0.01% of a complication for a disease with a 5% chance of a complication (obviously hypothetical numbers) then that would be unacceptable risk from the parent imo.

 

[Cajun]

There are medical reasons some people are exempted from vaccines. Also sounds like this is no danger to people who got vaccinated so what's the issue? The measles vaccine actually works unlike the covid vaccine.

Are you an anti-kids vaxxer? This county is in a weird area at the Texas-New Mexico border. It's either going to be anti-vaxxers like the California type against kids vaccines or it's illegals how are just poor and never vaccinated. Either way, it's an issue bruh. We don't want it.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Are you an anti-kids vaxxer? This county is in a weird area at the Texas-New Mexico border. It's either going to be anti-vaxxers like the California type against kids vaccines or it's illegals how are just poor and never vaccinated. Either way, it's an issue bruh. We don't want it.

No. I actually think people probably should get their kids vaccinated against things like the measles and polio because those are proven, relatively safe vaccines that involve injecting dead virus into the host.

I think waters got muddled during covid when acolytes tried to force people to take untested experimental MRNA 'vaccines' that aren't actually vaccines in the traditional sense.

I just think the post I was arguing with that choosing to not get your kids vaccinated is 'child abuse' is retarded and purely ideology, not science, driven.

 

[Cajun]

Nope. Giving your child the MMR vaccine makes them much, much safer. It also, through herd immunity, makes those that can't take the vaccine safer. The chance of harm from the vaccine is incredibly minute. Science in guiding me here. Why would I want to punish someone for giving their child something that makes them safer? Does that make sense to you?

I don't even understand what's happening in this thread. Are there some right wingers that are going anti-vax for kids now? Or is it just coleman

 

[Blayt7hh]

It’s probably because of illegals

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

It would depend on the odds wouldn't it?

If a vaccine had a 0.01% of a complication for a disease with a 5% chance of a complication (obviously hypothetical numbers) then that would be unacceptable risk from the parent imo.

Even with measles, it's in the fractions of 1% of those infected that have serious complications but even then I think people probably should get the measles vaccine because it's a proven, safe vaccine.

The covid 'vaccine' is another story entirely.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

I don't even understand what's happening in this thread. Are there some right wingers that are going anti-vax for kids now? Or is it just coleman

I already stated I'm not anti-vaccine. Keep tilting at those windmills though.

 

[Cajun]

No. I actually think people probably should get their kids vaccinated against things like the measles and polio because those are proven, relatively safe vaccines that involve injecting dead virus into the host.

I think waters got muddled during covid when acolytes tried to force people to take untested experimental MRNA 'vaccines' that aren't actually vaccines in the traditional sense.

I just think the post I was arguing with that choosing to not get your kids vaccinated is 'child abuse' is retarded and purely ideology, not science, driven.

Thank goodness... when we get peeps on the right going anti-kids vax I'd be worried. Covid was a weird one. It was developed and rolled out under Trump just before Biden took office. Before that you had videos of Biden saying he wouldnt take it and the left acting like he made it out of his basement. Then Biden wins and the entire thing flips. Totally partisan stuff.

As long as the right can keep peeps on the right for childhood vaccines I'm good. They are important but some on the left have been clawing away at them for years. Used to be a mandate to attend school. No idea now.

 

[Cajun]

I already stated I'm not anti-vaccine. Keep tilting at those windmills though.

Yeah I posted that before you responded or before I saw your response. Sorry

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Even with measles, it's in the fractions of 1% of those infected that have serious complications but even then I think people probably should get the measles vaccine because it's a proven, safe vaccine.

The covid 'vaccine' is another story entirely.

Yeah my daughter never had the covid vaccine, so not gonna argue there.

 

[Rob Battisti]

I don't even understand what's happening in this thread. Are there some right wingers that are going anti-vax for kids now? Or is it just coleman

I just want people to have actual informed consent and not to have discourse around those who choose not to vaccinate their kids be so incredibly hateful.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Thank goodness... when we get peeps on the right going anti-kids vax I'd be worried. Covid was a weird one. It was developed and rolled out under Trump just before Biden took office. Before that you had videos of Biden saying he wouldnt take it and the left acting like he made it out of his basement. Then Biden wins and the entire thing flips. Totally partisan stuff.

As long as the right can keep peeps on the right for childhood vaccines I'm good. They are important but some on the left have been clawing away at them for years. Used to be a mandate to attend school. No idea now.

Anti-vaxxers like that are actually typically far left.

I do think that covid vaccine authoritarianism definitely muddled the waters though and made more people anti-vaccine and is just another consequence of the hysteria of that period.

 

[Cajun]

I just want people to have actual informed consent and not to have discourse around those who choose not to vaccinate their kids be so incredibly hateful.

Uh oh... I feel a political shift though... seems like we used to point and laugh at those peeps...

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Yeah I posted that before you responded or before I saw your response. Sorry

Apology accepted. @Crazy Source is an admitted previously banned troll so you can disregard most of what he says.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Uh oh... I feel a political shift though... seems like we used to point and laugh at those peeps...

That's the problem with authoritarianism. What happened during covid made a lot of people distrustful of the medical community because they acted like such cunts during that time.

 

[Cajun]

That's the problem with authoritarianism. What happened during covid made a lot of people distrustful of the medical community because they acted like such cunts during that time.

I get some of the hysteria during that crisis. But looking at kids vaccines... not all are given at birth. Just a few. Then different ones are given at different ages and some require multiple shots before fully immunized. So if you have a baby, that baby may indeed be susceptible to other kids that aren't vaccinated. It can be a big deal if enough dont vaccinate their kids. Again, it used to be a requirement to even attend school unless there was a medical reason. Likely Texas is likely still doing that but this county is an outlier and Texas is a big state. Who knows.

 

[PhitePhan]

It would depend on the odds wouldn't it?

If a vaccine had a 0.01% of a complication for a disease with a 5% chance of a complication (obviously hypothetical numbers) then that would be unacceptable risk from the parent imo.

What if we don’t actually know the risk of complication from the vaccine because safety testing has been “largely inadequate”?

What if we don’t actually know the odds of complications from the disease because comorbid factors (eg malnutrition) are largely ignored?

 

[Cajun]

Apology accepted. @Crazy Source is an admitted previously banned troll so you can disregard most of what he says.

I don't know crazy source well but he's posted some reasonable things I've seen so far. Not sure why he's on you though haha.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

What if we don’t actually know the risk of complication from the vaccine because safety testing has been “largely inadequate”?

What if we don’t actually know the odds of complications from the disease because comorbid factors (eg malnutrition) are largely ignored?

That would be fair enough if the information isn't out there.

 

[Cajun]

What if we don’t actually know the risk of complication from the vaccine because safety testing has been “largely inadequate”?

What if we don’t actually know the odds of complications from the disease because comorbid factors (eg malnutrition) are largely ignored?

Most of these were rolled out between the 40s and 70s. There is lots of data at this point imo. MMR was introduced in 1970 so we have 50+ years of data.