Measles outbreak in Gaines county, Texas.

Cajun said:
Are you an anti-kids vaxxer? This county is in a weird area at the Texas-New Mexico border. It's either going to be anti-vaxxers like the California type against kids vaccines or it's illegals how are just poor and never vaccinated. Either way, it's an issue bruh. We don't want it.
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No. I actually think people probably should get their kids vaccinated against things like the measles and polio because those are proven, relatively safe vaccines that involve injecting dead virus into the host.

I think waters got muddled during covid when acolytes tried to force people to take untested experimental MRNA 'vaccines' that aren't actually vaccines in the traditional sense.

I just think the post I was arguing with that choosing to not get your kids vaccinated is 'child abuse' is retarded and purely ideology, not science, driven.
 
Crazy Source said:
Nope. Giving your child the MMR vaccine makes them much, much safer. It also, through herd immunity, makes those that can't take the vaccine safer. The chance of harm from the vaccine is incredibly minute. Science in guiding me here. Why would I want to punish someone for giving their child something that makes them safer? Does that make sense to you?
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I don't even understand what's happening in this thread. Are there some right wingers that are going anti-vax for kids now? Or is it just coleman
 
Hellowhosthat said:
It would depend on the odds wouldn't it?

If a vaccine had a 0.01% of a complication for a disease with a 5% chance of a complication (obviously hypothetical numbers) then that would be unacceptable risk from the parent imo.
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Even with measles, it's in the fractions of 1% of those infected that have serious complications but even then I think people probably should get the measles vaccine because it's a proven, safe vaccine.

The covid 'vaccine' is another story entirely.
 
Cajun said:
I don't even understand what's happening in this thread. Are there some right wingers that are going anti-vax for kids now? Or is it just coleman
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I already stated I'm not anti-vaccine. Keep tilting at those windmills though.
 
ColemanwastheGOAT said:
No. I actually think people probably should get their kids vaccinated against things like the measles and polio because those are proven, relatively safe vaccines that involve injecting dead virus into the host.

I think waters got muddled during covid when acolytes tried to force people to take untested experimental MRNA 'vaccines' that aren't actually vaccines in the traditional sense.

I just think the post I was arguing with that choosing to not get your kids vaccinated is 'child abuse' is retarded and purely ideology, not science, driven.
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Thank goodness... when we get peeps on the right going anti-kids vax I'd be worried. Covid was a weird one. It was developed and rolled out under Trump just before Biden took office. Before that you had videos of Biden saying he wouldnt take it and the left acting like he made it out of his basement. Then Biden wins and the entire thing flips. Totally partisan stuff.

As long as the right can keep peeps on the right for childhood vaccines I'm good. They are important but some on the left have been clawing away at them for years. Used to be a mandate to attend school. No idea now.
 
ColemanwastheGOAT said:
Even with measles, it's in the fractions of 1% of those infected that have serious complications but even then I think people probably should get the measles vaccine because it's a proven, safe vaccine.

The covid 'vaccine' is another story entirely.
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Yeah my daughter never had the covid vaccine, so not gonna argue there.
 
Cajun said:
Thank goodness... when we get peeps on the right going anti-kids vax I'd be worried. Covid was a weird one. It was developed and rolled out under Trump just before Biden took office. Before that you had videos of Biden saying he wouldnt take it and the left acting like he made it out of his basement. Then Biden wins and the entire thing flips. Totally partisan stuff.

As long as the right can keep peeps on the right for childhood vaccines I'm good. They are important but some on the left have been clawing away at them for years. Used to be a mandate to attend school. No idea now.
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Anti-vaxxers like that are actually typically far left.

I do think that covid vaccine authoritarianism definitely muddled the waters though and made more people anti-vaccine and is just another consequence of the hysteria of that period.
 
Rob Battisti said:
I just want people to have actual informed consent and not to have discourse around those who choose not to vaccinate their kids be so incredibly hateful.
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Uh oh... I feel a political shift though... seems like we used to point and laugh at those peeps...
 
Cajun said:
Uh oh... I feel a political shift though... seems like we used to point and laugh at those peeps...
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That's the problem with authoritarianism. What happened during covid made a lot of people distrustful of the medical community because they acted like such cunts during that time.
 
ColemanwastheGOAT said:
That's the problem with authoritarianism. What happened during covid made a lot of people distrustful of the medical community because they acted like such cunts during that time.
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I get some of the hysteria during that crisis. But looking at kids vaccines... not all are given at birth. Just a few. Then different ones are given at different ages and some require multiple shots before fully immunized. So if you have a baby, that baby may indeed be susceptible to other kids that aren't vaccinated. It can be a big deal if enough dont vaccinate their kids. Again, it used to be a requirement to even attend school unless there was a medical reason. Likely Texas is likely still doing that but this county is an outlier and Texas is a big state. Who knows.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
It would depend on the odds wouldn't it?

If a vaccine had a 0.01% of a complication for a disease with a 5% chance of a complication (obviously hypothetical numbers) then that would be unacceptable risk from the parent imo.
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What if we don’t actually know the risk of complication from the vaccine because safety testing has been “largely inadequate”?

What if we don’t actually know the odds of complications from the disease because comorbid factors (eg malnutrition) are largely ignored?
 
ColemanwastheGOAT said:
Apology accepted. @Crazy Source is an admitted previously banned troll so you can disregard most of what he says.
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I don't know crazy source well but he's posted some reasonable things I've seen so far. Not sure why he's on you though haha.
 
PhitePhan said:
What if we don’t actually know the risk of complication from the vaccine because safety testing has been “largely inadequate”?

What if we don’t actually know the odds of complications from the disease because comorbid factors (eg malnutrition) are largely ignored?
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That would be fair enough if the information isn't out there.
 
PhitePhan said:
What if we don’t actually know the risk of complication from the vaccine because safety testing has been “largely inadequate”?

What if we don’t actually know the odds of complications from the disease because comorbid factors (eg malnutrition) are largely ignored?
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Most of these were rolled out between the 40s and 70s. There is lots of data at this point imo. MMR was introduced in 1970 so we have 50+ years of data.
 
It's interesting how people are careful to not go too far in their "skepticism." The Covid jabs were just too rushed, didn't get enough testing, that's why a lot of people were killed and injured by it. It's one big coincidence, not malicious at all, and all the other jabs are fine and dandy. Are they though? In other words, the only skepticism allowed in the Overton window is skepticism that doesn't threaten the paradigm in any shape or form. People on substack got their hands on childhood vaccination vials. Can you guess what they discovered when they sent it for heavy metal testing and looked at it under a dark field microscope? The idea that this stuff is safe is laughable. They won't even disclose to you the ingredient list. It's a leap based on faith and trust in Big Pharma, nothing else. At minimum, when the safety of your child is concerned, it should be "trust but verify." Not exactly a high bar, is it?
 
Cajun said:
Most of these were rolled out between the 40s and 70s. There is lots of data at this point imo. MMR was introduced in 1970 so we have 50+ years of data.
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Cochrane review found through exhaustive study that safety data was “largely inadequate” as recent as 2012… what good is 50+ years of data if it’s low quality data?

Authors' conclusions: The design and reporting of safety outcomes in MMR vaccine studies, both pre- and post-marketing, are largely inadequate.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella in children - PubMed

The design and reporting of safety outcomes in MMR vaccine studies, both pre- and post-marketing, are largely inadequate. The evidence of adverse events following immunisation with the MMR vaccine cannot be separated from its role in preventing the target diseases.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
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